Talk: Archivists

Things for FW board

• Think up a really wizard name for us (see below)
• A userbox once we have this really wizard name
• A template similar to GA and FA for both the page and the talk page of the FW during the nomination process

Our really wizard name

These are some that I have thought of just at random:

• Archivist
• Librarian
• Bard
• Critic
• Scholar

I particularly like archivist, as it gives us the chance to use the Jedi archives from AOTC. Katana Geldar 10:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• I like archivist as well. Scholar is also great, but I like archivist the most --Kathkira ^talk 02:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I guess Archivist it is then, because I quite like it too. Vagrant Lustoid ^(Talk) 23:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll see if we can get some sort of userbox up for us. Katana Geldar 10:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

How's this for a userbox?

This user is an Archivist

Guidelines for Featured Works and reviewing

Going through Heritage has been a rather good experience as it has told us what Featured Works might need to make them more readable. One is some sort of chapter navigation I think should be on the necessary list or at least highly recomended.

Another thing I have thought of is that once a nominated work has been classed as FW, is that it is given a few reviews by Archivists and other people on here. Not sure where we could put these reviews, but it would encourage people to read fan fic and comment on it.

Maybe that's another thing altogether, People known as "Reviewers" who look through the fics on here and recomend what they seem FW worthy. Katana Geldar 11:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• If you're referring to commentary on the story, I'd suggest that the Archivists and other people who read the nomination make their own comments on the FW nomination page for that story, as that will be archived. Or, you can make them on Talk:Heritage, etc. As far as the chapter navigation, I recommend you either have an Archivist vote to add that recommendation, or put it up for a community vote if you want a strict policy. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 15:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Agreed, but maybe we could make the comments longer to talk about specific aspects of the story when we finally vote for it. I know there specific things in the story that I loved that I want to name. --Katana Geldar 21:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

What type of navigation are you looking for, though? I use an infobox on each one of my chapters, and it links you to the previous chapter and the following chapter. I very much prefer that over the template at the bottom or the top. - Brandon Rhea ^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless we are going to have an official policy on chapter navigation and say "you must have x", which is probably pointless, I'd keep it as a requirement to say there must some way or navigating from chapter to chapter without going back to the main page and a link to the main page. It can be links in the infobox, it can be links down the bottom of the page but it needs to be there. --Katana Geldar 21:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd just vote for something to be there- any sort of navigation. Restricting it to infoboxes would suck because I dislike using them for chapters while restricting it to navigation boxes at the tops/bottoms of pages would suck for others because they may prefer the infobox. So like you said, it needs to be there, in any way shape or form, as long as it's there. --Victor^talk 05:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Please see this forum, particularly for all Archivists. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 08:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Activity

Hey guys, just a reminder. It's now pushing into the third month of having the same FW on the Main Page. I strongly urge the Archivists to 1) Step it up seriously in terms of activity. There's never been more than a month of queue in advance, and it's getting almost as bad as CUSWFN, or 2) Hire more Archivists. If more people are needed on the job, find some willing volunteers, or 3) Propose the dissolution of the FW system and regard it as a failed experiment. But please, don't let the process stagnate any longer. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 00:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

• Here's two more ideas. Option 4: figure out a way to get non-Archivists to review nominated works as well. That way, the Archivists will feel less pressure because the work will be shared by more people without having to increase the number of Archivists and, because of that, increase the number of votes that are necessary for a work to be successful. Option 5: come up with a system where each Archivists reviews a third of a work. All three would read it, of course, but if a work has thirty chapters then each Archivist need only review ten of them. That's less work for everyone and would allow Archivists to go into more detail. - Brandon Rhea ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Option 4 is somewhat less than useful because 2 out of the 3 archivists are currently required to vote on a work. Changing that rule might be an option, but the review board loses a lot of its functionality if fewer than at least a majority are required to vote for it, IMO. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 00:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Option 4 doesn't take away the need for Archivists to vote, though. It just takes away some of the pressure, ie. them feeling that everything is on their shoulders. - Brandon Rhea ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Vagrant Lustoid

It seems Kathkira beat me to the punch when she contacted him two weeks ago about inactivity. I too have left a message, but as I discussed with Brandon on the JC he needs to either shape up or ship out. It's rather odd at the moment how we are so paralysed on one story simply because it belongs to one of the Archivists, namely me.

Are we going to replace him? If so, with who?

And I am wondering, are three too few to have? Katana Geldar 08:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Reminder

• Hey ladies, just a reminder, we're into our second month on the current FW. Part of that is my fault. I realise both of the noms currently up are novels, so they're kind of long, but we should probably step it up and showcase some new works on the main page for September and October. Ideally, we should try and build up a queue so we don't have to rush reviews. Maybe the authors will take pity on us and write short stories instead.Also, I'm thinking about checking out Katana's sequel to the Seventh Star as a possible new FWN. ;-) Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 15:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Ya we need some shorter stuff, it's been crazy trying to read two novels essentially at once. I've gone ahead and voted on Acceptance, as I was pretty much finished and hadn't found anything to add to the objections. --Kathkira ^talk 21:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
    • I am working on a short story... though that won't be done for awhile. Sorry. Maybe I can write a different short story though, who knows? Either way, apologies for unleashing a novel on you all. :P Hopefully it can finally fill the queue for September, at least. And thanks for the vote of confidence and compliments (on the voting page) on Acceptance, Kath. :) –Victor ^{(talk page)} 04:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
      • Anytime, Vic. In other news, earlier I noticed that the cover art for Heritage appears to have been a casualty of our mass image deletion. Anyone happen to have a copy of it or know how best to get a hold of Aurrasingrules101? I was hoping to be able to source it for her or at the very least make her aware that it was deleted. --Kathkira ^talk 05:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
        • She's on TF.N, so we can PM her or something. On the other hand, sourcing that thing would be a PAIN due to the amalgamation of images that were on it. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 05:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

New thread

• All Archivists please check out Forum:State of the Archives. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 22:58, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Possible future loa

• Just letting you all know that regardless of the fate of Featured Works and/or us Archivists I may be taking a temporary leave of absence from SWFanon altogether in the near future. I can't (as in not allowed) at this time to disclose any real details, but I may be moving soon on account of my husband's job and as such would be very very busy with the preparations for said move. If any of you would like to talk to me about this I can do so in a limited fashion, but not on this site. I'll keep you informed the best I can as events progress, and may be to let you know better details at a later date. As of right now, the leave of absence is only a possibility, stay tuned for whether or not it becomes an actuality. --Kathkira ^talk 21:59, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok UPDATE on this. He didn't get the job (really bummed there you have no idea) so I won't be moving yet. However, because of this, it's now really really important that I get a full time job to help out, so my primary focus will be that. I won't be taking any LoAs as of yet, but should the situation become more dire this may change. --Kathkira ^talk 17:38, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Contest

• Yeah, so I sort of came up with this idea in part to help us get some shorter FWs. See here: Star Wars Fanon:Short Story Contest/Fall 2009. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 19:16, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
  • YAY! Good idea --Kathkira ^talk 01:17, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Short story contest

• So, how many categories do you ladies want to keep, given that we only really had entries in 2 categories? I've tried to find some other ones to fill in the ranks that I think are good. I say that we ditch Best Comedy and Best Romance when it comes time to close the noms and vote, nobody's going for them. Things that have only 2 entries I'm really really iffy about. I'd like to see one more in Best Mystery, Movie Era, and Beyond the Movie to definitely keep those, but we could also merge that category into "Movies and Beyond". What do you ladies think? Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 06:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  • Not being an archivist I really have no say in this, but if I'm not able to finish my story (which would go into the Beyond the Movie category) then by all means merge the two. In fact, merge them anyway since Movie Era would still be short.--Josh Bender^Talk 08:22, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah we could merge the "Movie" and "Beyond" eras, and I'm fine with getting rid of the Comedy and Romance ones if they stay empty. Keep Mystery even though there's only two though, and no need to merge it with any other category. --Kathkira ^talk 17:38, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
• It's alive. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 05:09, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Steppin' up or stepping out

• We either need to be serious about the FWN process, or we need to disband. I realize it's the holidays, but if we don't get a new FWN out this month, I quit and support the removal of the FW system. Go back and visit the existing nominations and/or nominate some other stories, but we need to get the ball rolling in 2010, or else abandon this little experiment. Sorry if I sound harsh, but it'd be nice to see some more activity here. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 03:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Inactive noms

• My personal standard is as follow:

1. If there's an inactive FWN that has no unaddressed objections, we leave it until there are objections or it passes/is removed
2. If there's a FWN that receives objections and no progress is made on those objections after 3 months, I vote to remove it.

However, I don't want to speak for the rest of Archivists, so if you want to sound off on the matter, I welcome your opinions. What do you guys think? Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 15:41, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

• That is pretty fair.-I'm the Chosen One 17:09, May 15, 2012 (UTC)