User talk:TK-999/Archive1

Welcome back!
Hi. Glad to see you registered another, more appropriate account name. Enjoy your time here! - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 16:33, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
I would like to thank for all the greetings. I will possibly view the community soon. --TK-999 (Talk) 18:45, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Question
That's certainly not a stupid question! There are a couple of ways you can do that. You can code one directly into your preferences (Special:Preferences --> User Profile tab --> Signature section --> Add in your coded sig --> Click "Custom signature" --> Save). Or, the way I do it, is that you could use User:TK-999/sig. You'd code your sig into that, and then you'd put into the signature field in your preferences (and make sure you click "Custom signature"). There's one catch to this: your preferences are global across Wikia, so you'd have to create User:TK-999/sig on any Wikia wiki you edit on. I hope that helps! - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 18:55, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Clean-up operations
Great job, I went ahead and removed those tags. You know what you're doing so if you feel an article is sufficiently up to the Manual of Style, you can remove the tags. Thanks for helping out! - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 19:14, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Question
The of PAGENAME is best, I feel, for when the article name is extremely long and doesn't require any special formatting, such as italics. Other uses would be for when the title uses special characters, such as × or æ or some other character that one cannot easily replicate on the fly. For ship names, though, since as mentioned above, they require italics in the title, the usage of PAGENAME wouldn't be appropriate. Hope that helps.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:07, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Isn´t out there a crossover wiki or some sort of?

Anyway Thanks --Ahmoses III (Talk) 16:14, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Ahmoses III (Talk) 16:45, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Did You Know?
Just a friendly reminder that, when adding something to the Did You Know? template, to put the thing you take out into the archive. I've already done that for you this time, but it would be greatly appreciated if you could remember to do that in future. 17:22, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Galaxy infobox
No problem. Generic templates such as that are fine and are covered by CC-by-SA with a talk page message. If it is a specialty template, then more consideration might need to be done. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 16:25, January 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The best thing to do when copying and pasting would be to use Wookieepedia on the template's talk page, as that gives the proper credit under the "BY" clause of the copyright. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 17:25, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Regarding that infamous article...
Your welcome. I looked over the article and it took me about five seconds to realize that is not Star Wars Fanon standards. Oh yeah, and that template is cool, I'm personally horrible at template scripting. I've only made a few and it takes hours to figure out whats wrong with it. Anyways see you around Star Wars Fanon.-_- Joe  (Talk) (Contributions) (My novel) 19:54, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that is what I do, it's still hard though. See ya. -_- Joe  (Talk) (Contributions) (My novel) 14:42, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

User of the Month
Wazzup? You've just been nominated for 'User of the Month' for March, and you already have six net votes. I hope your nomination is successful. Go check it out. -_- Joe  (Talk) (Contributions) (My novel) 14:55, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Mary Sue
I wouldn't bother tagging it at all. I've never liked the Mary Sue template, it's pretty useless. It's basically just a template that says "Your article sucks." If you want to point out the problems in the article, it's better to post a clear, detailed, and helpful message on the article's talk page. That's far more helpful than an unspecific template. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 20:09, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Another template
Yeah, I know what you mean. One day at school I wasn't paying attention to where I was going, and I ended up in music class when I should've been at computers. -_- Joe  (Talk) (Contributions) (My novel) 21:23, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re: User of the Month
No problem bro! It's good to see users like yourself contributing actively to the wiki! --Sebolto of Malastare  (talk)  02:02, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Again, apologies. Lord Kroger (Talk) 16:52, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Zona Luka
Thank you, and I'm sorry that I didn't post you. the thing is, I would like it if yo uwould add some ideas into the Zona Luka. If you do, I shall thank you.--Spenpiano (Talk) 18:54, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Valley of the Dark Lords (ASWS)
Thank you! By the way, I wrote an article called Valley of the Dark Lords (ASWS). I hope you could help with a list of Sith Lord tombs that I wrote. i was hoping that if you could help and write ideas.--Spenpiano (Talk) 19:22, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re:One Year War
Darn it, I was hoping that article would get deleted. Oh well...................................... -_- <font color=#800000>Joe  (Talk) (Contributions) (My novel) 21:23, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re:1.1 Cleanup
Thanks for pointing out the correct way of writing dates, I'd completely forgotten that plain text doesn't automatically distinguish between dashes and hyphens. I've still got a long way to go with the editing and I'll make sure the final product doesn't have any errors. Thanks again :D (FrankieWest)

Re: 1.1 Cleanup
Thanks again for the encouragement! I think I've figured out the basics of coding of this website, but if I'll need anything I'll keep you in mind (: --FrankieWest (Talk) 16:04, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: IInterest in "Ú"
Hey there! I myself am Russian, but I live in Lithuania and neither language uses this letter, I'm sure. I was just interested in using it since in the Hungarian variant (which was most suitable for me, coincidentally :D) it gives just the right sound ( ú = /uː/ = "you", correct me if I'm wrong) that I would imagine my character's surname would have as her species' pronunciation is different and emphasizes a single word twice. --FrankieWest (Talk) 18:02, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

<ul><li> Thank you! I've been studying English since I was 6, which makes it over 11 years now; I've always been interested in the language and found it most suitable to use in my creative writing, so I've been trying to improve to the best of my abilities. Not to brag but grammar is one of my stronger points (: And thanks so much for providing me those letters, I'm pretty sure I can think of a use for them when creating more names and titles in my species' dialect! </li></ul> --FrankieWest (Talk) 18:24, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Editing policy
Hi TK, I just wanted to point this out:

"As I am not authorized to edit content in others' articles, so I can only do cleanup, it is you who needs to fix these problems."

- You

You can actually make the edits you referred to on that page. The reference to the series can be moved to a Behind the scenes section (and reworked as needed), and you can fix POV problems. The editing policy allows for policy-related edits. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:24, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * It doesn't specifically allow for POV issues, but it says that MOS formatting and conforming is allowed. POV is part of the MOS. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:37, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, they can't. Being a Mary Sue isn't a policy violation. That's why I don't like the Mary Sue template either. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:55, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Ultimate Battle Droid
It's all good, bro. I love editing grammar around here. I think its due to my being an English minor. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:03, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Vestara Khai Skywalker
We've always used it for Jedi who fell to the dark side and were later redeemed, or followers of the dark side who were redeemed and became Jedi. It's not exclusive to just one description. I've clarified this on Category:Redeemed Jedi. Also remember that Star Wars Fanon:Categorization is a tutorial, not a policy, and it doesn't say that Redeemed Jedi can be used for only Jedi who fell to the dark side and were later redeemed. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 19:24, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah. "Redeemed" doesn't just apply to people who were Jedi, after all, so we've used it with a more broader scope. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 19:55, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: A new user
Yeah, he reverted mine too. I wrote him a message telling him to cease and desist, and I tagged his article with a General Cleanup tag. If he doesn't stop, we'll take this to an admin. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:10, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * With pleasure. I can't stand users who don't bother to abide by the Manual of Style.--<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:13, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * That doesn't give him an excuse. International users can still write excellent articles (You are a prime example), with good English. He still must be held accountable if he commits any more unacceptable errors. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:18, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

New user
Hey TK, we got a User here who keeps revising my edits on his article Capac Miami. His article is very Mary-Sue like, so I tagged it with a Marysue template. He soon thereafter removed it. If he continues this, please help me confront him. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:39, February 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Like I said to Sebolto, assuming that someone is ignoring you is an assumption of malice rather than good faith ignorance. Remember, for younger people and newer users, wikis are really confusing, so sometimes if you see something that doesn't mesh with policies, even after a warning, it has nothing to do with refusing to listen. Remember that not everyone is going to be as quick to understanding wikis and policies as you were, and to be patient with people. Thanks! - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 16:50, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks TK! If I sound overly-preachy or condescending when I say something like this, please know that it's not at all my intention. I just want to make sure that Star Wars Fanon fosters a friendly and helpful environment. =) - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 16:54, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Me too, I just have a tendency to expect the law to be followed. That leads me into many mistakes. But how do we define "bad faith" exactly so I don't repeat this instance? --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  16:56, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Video
Yes, I did. But since I can't read Hungarian (Which I assume is the language), I didn't get the whole thing. But hey, I want to drive to work in a tank! :) --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  17:06, February 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Feel free to chat. They're your talk pages! =) That said, though, I encourage you to hang around on the Star Wars Fanon IRC channel. That's where the real fun is at. =P - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:10, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Night time is usually the best time to find people. Some people also may be there, just not saying anything since they don't notice anyone on. Goodwood is generally always there. You can summon him by typing /ping Goodwood into the chat area. In fact, send that about three dozen times...for great justice. ;) - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:15, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * For some reason, IRC doesn't work for my network most times. However, TK, we should chat some time! --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  17:17, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Leave a message on my talk page with the problem, Sebolto, and I'll try to help you fix it. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:19, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, TK. I believe it. You seem alot like me. However, I may not be able to chat for a while. I'm taking a brief break from the site to write a short story, which I will then post on the wiki. We can chat after that. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  17:47, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

IRC
The standard gateway site doesn't work anymore since it was blocked. This is only if you use the top client. What you have to do is click the  http://webchat.freenode.net/  link that displays after "logging into" that client. The latter link will lead you to a general (free) IRC client that supports #swfanon.- I'm the Chosen One So the Prophecy says... 19:06, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, although I was aiming more at both of you, not just you or Sebolto.- I'm the Chosen One So the Prophecy says... 19:32, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Template:Title
We haven't updated all of our .css and .js coding with the switch to the new Wikia skin yet, so the coding currently doesn't work. You can add it in anyway so, once the coding is updated, it will automatically be italicized. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 19:43, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is it. Because when I looked it over, you coded it correctly TK. The coding isn't up-to-date, so you will see certain templates that don't work correctly or aren't that compatible (for example, the eras template isn't real compatible with the Sports infobox). If you see something screwy with an infobox and the eras, it is the coding. Same with some tags that look huge.- I'm the Chosen One So the Prophecy says... 19:49, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Just so you are aware, the Template coding has been fixed so you can now italicize the template items.- I'm the Chosen One So the Prophecy says... 20:06, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Defaultsort
It's not a template unique to Star Wars Fanon, or any other individual wiki, so it's not a template that you can find here. It's standard wiki markup coding, so it's part of the core Wikia coding. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 20:14, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Informing about MoS
It's no problem! If I swoop in and leave a message like that, it's just to make sure that someone isn't getting discouraged. I prefer to talk with someone than talk at someone, and to offer them help. That said, I don't want it to seem like it's me saying you did something wrong either. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:59, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Helping out
It is alright, just make sure to say some encouraging things or something akin to "we are always here to help you out, we know the policies can be confusing or complicated for some." Stuff like that. Oh be careful, I have ways of dealing with dark siders. -- I'm the Chosen One So the Prophecy says... 15:34, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Better- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 16:49, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

You have to be patient, they are new. If they continue after a couple of days, then you can lodge a request to an admin for disciplinary action. I wouldn't go about fixing their articles right after they create them too. They need time to ask for help or to do it themselves. If they do neither then you can choose to fix it or put it up for deletion or tag it. Just a suggestion to avoid frustration. Thanks for noticing.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 17:00, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Elements
Whether or not you want to refer to them by name in your fanon/fan fiction is up to you. Since Galactic Basic is just English, though, then it makes sense to refer to them by OOU names, same as anything else. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 22:34, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Clarification
I actually never use the template (not a fan of it). I leave written warnings. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 15:35, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I never said that the changes he made means the entire article is fixed. He's making an obvious effort to improve the article as you and I suggested to him. You seem to be ascribing bad faith motives to what he's doing (evident by what you're saying about his changes, as well as accusing him of not caring about the MOS); you told him he should clean up his article since it's a crossover, and now he's doing that. He has more to do, but bringing down a sledgehammer on him isn't going to help him or the wiki. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 19:08, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

It could also be that he doesn't know how to reply on a talk page. He may very well know how but doesn't feel the need to, or he may not. We don't know, though, so we don't want to make assumptions.

It's very hard to assume that someone will be able to follow the Manual of Style immediately after you ask them to. What you should do if you see someone continuing to have trouble with it is not to assume they don't want to follow it, but to give them specific pointers as to how they can improve. The vast majority of people recognize that websites have rules that they need to follow.

Telling someone they don't care is counter-productive to both the growth of the user as a writer and the growth of the community. I can say the latter because I've seen it; I used to assume these sorts of things too, as did Squishy Vic when he was an admin. We came down hard on people and the community shrunk big time.

You're actually not out of ideas. You gave the correct answer: help clean up the article. We absolutely gain something from that. It's easy to think that it's just hand-holding, but when someone sees their own article conformed to the Manual of Style, they understand better what they're supposed to do.

One example is on my first article, Ussej Padric Bac. I had a line to the effect of "He is a main character in Shadows of the Jedi: The Legend of Ussej Padric Bac, where he is portrayed by actor Alec Newman." I never saw anything like that in any other article on SWF, but I didn't realize it wasn't allowed until Jasca Ducato removed it and used "Fanonification" as the edit summary. I didn't know what Fanonification meant, so I asked him, he told me, and then I knew.

Not to mention you've just made someone really appreciative of you, and they'll be willing to talk to you&mdash;more so if you're leaving constant critical messages on their talk page.

And that said, it's not a good idea to take a "What's in it for us?" standpoint anyway. If we're here to help people, then helping only when you get something in return undermines that. The return, in reality, is the growth of the community. =) - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 20:10, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I just saw your new message. Awesome job! You actually are entitled to remove the OOU remarks, though, since it's a policy violation. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 20:11, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

How do you define OOU remarks in the context of this article (since I haven't read through the whole article)? Can you give me a few examples from the article? - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 20:14, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: That infamous crossover
Still, the idea remains the same. I don't know if you remember this user and his article, Black Pearl, but crossover cannot be avoided by hastily changing a few details. Have you contacted Brandon or another admin yet? --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  16:35, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. ITCO and Goodwood appear to be onboard. We'll see where this goes. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  19:32, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Manual of Style
All of the above. There are some things that can be removed (do we really care if someone says honour instead of honor, or uses the Imperial system rather than the Metric system?). There are some things that can be written in a more user-friendly way. We can remove some of the overly-detailed information (5 paragraphs to tell people to spell correctly? I think not). What's important in maintaining SWF's role as an open and quality wiki is knowing when to back off from overly-burdensome rules, which we've not always been that great at. Being so concerned with quality can bring us to a point where our definition of quality is unattainable, and we make the wiki less accessible&mdash;and therefore making its openess irrelevant. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:20, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course they should be maintained, but we obviously don't need paragraph after paragraph to explain it. We can have a sentence as simple as "Proper spelling and grammar is required," and bam. We've gotten the point across. And since people sometimes have trouble with grammar (since spell check is horrible at grammar), that's something people can help users with. Looking at the MOS further, there are other things that can be simplified or removed completely:
 * List of appearances&mdash;do we really need to mandate the use of App over lists anymore?
 * Real-world persons&mdash;irrelevant to the vast majority of people and could be moved to a sub-page, like Star Wars Fanon:Manual of Style/Real-world persons.
 * Naming conventions&mdash;can be hugely simplified.
 * Perspective and tense&mdash;can be simplified.
 * Point of view&mdash;can be simplified to an extent.
 * Headings&mdash;can be simplified.
 * Spelling&mdash;already mentioned that it can be greatly simplified.
 * Capital letters&mdash;can be simplified (personally I don't care if someone says Galaxy over galaxy, though).
 * Class and ship names&mdash;can be simplified.
 * Proper use of the dash code&mdash;it's used so little to begin with that it could be moved to a subpage, which Wookieepedia does.
 * Units of measurement&mdash;can be removed.
 * Quotations&mdash;can be simplified.
 * Categorization&mdash;we could probably remove the mandate of Hidden on "Articles by" categories.
 * There we go. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:33, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Weird IRC thingie
The Wikia IRC gateway doesn't work anymore. I don't know what the issue would be with the Freenode gateway, though. You'd have to ask Freenode about that. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:55, March 3, 2011 (UTC)