Forum:Restoring Halo Fanon Partnership

After reviewing what the members of the Halo Fanon Wiki have told me, I believe we were too quick in judging them without all of the appropriate information. Basically, Star Wars Fanon and Halo Fanon really have to be two completely different types of fanon. In Star Wars Fanon, the area in which we can make up our own worlds, factions, species, etc…all that stuff, is much larger. It takes place over thousands and thousands of years and has an entire galaxy to play with. That’s why we can pretty much make anything here.

However, that’s different in Halo. It takes place in only one spiral arm of the galaxy, it takes place between 2100 and 2553 (events after that in fanon are held in mixed review, but not restricted) and it has a strict adherence to science fiction with very little science fantasy. Basically, the reason they restrict so many fanon articles is because people make things that are just not realistic to them. It’s not that it really contradicts canon, but it’s that it just does not make any sense. We may allow Force sensitive battle droids, but it’s their prerogative to ban them.

Many of the members of Halo Fanon and many of the Administrators believe that their restrictions are for the best. Because of that, we cannot tell them what they can and cannot do. Their universe is much different than the Star Wars universe, which gives them more restrictions. We have the Force and amazingly advanced technology. They have the real universe with more realistic weapons, events, etc. such as plain technology from our real world.

After being told this, I looked around Halo Fanon and I have to say that nearly all of the articles there make sense and are plausible. That, in my opinion, is a good thing because things need to fit into that universe. I mean, they’ve actually one-uped us in terms of realism because so many of our 16,000 articles are absolute junk. Basically, we can’t bring the Sith into Halo, because that’s just not what happens in that universe. We are judging things from a Star Wars POV and, while the term “Fanon Wiki” and “Where the users can express themselves all they want” may be a bit deceiving, I believe it was wrong to end our partnership with them without putting ourselves into their position.

Ultimately, fanon in Star Wars and fanon in Halo are two totally different things, and rightly so. Therefore, because we now have an actual dialogue with the Halo Fanon Wiki, I believe we should restore our partnership with them based upon the fact that we should not judge them based on our own Star Wars POV and that we can now have a flow of members going back and forth between Star Wars Fanon and Halo Fanon. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Current Standings

 * Restore partnership (1)
 * Don't restore partnership (1)

Support

 * 1) President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]]  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) They have nothing to offer us, and they accused me of breaking the "non canon friendly" rule on the talk page of one my articles. When the only rule I broke was the number of the Spartan was too high (227, and the highest is 150). Therefore, how can we contribute there? And secondly, like I said, they have nothing to offer us. They only want more and more partners to look affiliated and/or popular. A few of their users are immature, like the one who called me retarded. So no. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 00:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Sorry Rhea, but Vic has a point.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:MovieBlack.JPG|10px]] 00:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
I would like to point out that the Admin who called Vic a retard, who was also the one who falsely accused me of impersonation, isn't exactly respected by a lot of members over there. A few people today flat out told me that he isn't all that amazing at what he does. I also have to ask you not to base your opinions this time on what happened to Vic because after he was told what their rules were he said more than once on that Wiki that what they do is "bullshit". Please go to Halo Fanon and do research on this before going ZOMG THAT'S TERRIBLE and opposing this. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't say what they do is bullshit, but that they claim to let you explore your creative mind and write about stuff is bull, since I obviously could not. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 00:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You still called it bullshit, so you can't come across saying how bad Halo Fanon is when you do that. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Either way, I didn't call a user retarded; I didn't make a personal attack. I said that policy and their "tagline" is bullshit. I never insulted anyone as they did. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 00:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

And I'm not defending that one user, as he got on my bad side as well. Regardless, it's unfortunate that you would choose to hold that against the entire Halo Fanon Wiki. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That policy does apply to the wiki which restricts my creativity, which is the main reason. Plus the fact that we have nothing to contribute to each other 'cept another "partner" on the list. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 00:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

One, by saying "restricts my creativity", I can't help but assume you only proposed the original removal of the partnership because they (for lack of a better term) "hurt your feelings". Second, how do you know that we won't get members from them now and we won't have members go there? You can't see the future, so it's very possible that users may contribute to both Wikis now. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * First: No, they restricted my creativity. I can't write there about Halo Fanon, even though I was not breaking any rules, properly categorizing, etc. They said I couldn't use gray team, and I didn't even see the "retard" comment until today. I don't get my feelings hurt online. I just can't bear to think that we'd be partners with a website like that doesn't allow their writers to write fanon, even though their tagline says they can. Second: We were partners for awhile, and no one contributed back and forth. I did, until the NCF stuff. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 00:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

For your first point, the definition of fanon is so vague that we can't sit here and say that what we're doing is wrong. Our view of fanon is that anything goes. There's is anything goes, so long as it doesn't contradict canon. That doesn't make either of them any more or any less fanon. For your second point, going only from a SWF POV, I fault the entire Cabal for that. We made no effort to try to work up a relationship with them, so I don't feel right saying that we offered nothing to each other. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  01:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

About the whole fanon thing: We were talking specifics. If another user already used the fanon I was using, I couldn't use it. Here, we can all have an Obi-Wan Kenobi article if we wish. Fan fiction is FAN FICTION. They seem to forget that all fan fiction, no matter what, will contradict canon. That's the point of fan fiction. For a fan to insert their own work into canon work, and their work will most likely never be canon work. Therefore, that point is not strong, since that policy is hypocritical. And as far as blaming the Cabal for that, it's not my duty or yours or C3POs or Jack's or JM76's or any other Cabalist to bring friends. We are here to guide users on the wiki and fix issues and if necessary, ban vandals. We have not done anything together, and that is not just the fault of the cabal. It is the fault of every user on each wiki, since they made partners but didn't want to go contribute to each other's Wiki. -- Don Victor, Sr.  ( contact ) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's clear that you're not going to change your opinion, and I'm not going to change mine, so to save us both time I'm not going to continue this. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  01:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 01:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we should be affiliated with them. It's good to have positive diplomatic ties between two wikis. We need partners. The canon Halo wiki is with them, and Wookieepedia isn't with us. The only reasons we are probably partners with Star Wars RP is because Brandon is an admin on here and on their as well. We just need to be patient. I would contribute as I have played all the Halo games and I am a fan, I just don't know alot about it like I do Star Wars. I say we wait till the outcome of their Freedom voting is over till we make this decision.  Prime Minister Wing  ( Parliament )


 * To play devil's advocate here, SWRP and SWF now share multiple users. For example, me (obviously), Dex and Solus. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  01:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Please give a reason as to why we need partners. I don't see it as necessary, and "just to have partners" is pointless. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 01:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I honestly can't answer that question, but I do know in the long run it's good to have them. Look at all the partners they have, it's because they contribute to each other and obey the rules of those wikis. Some people at Halo Fanon like RR came here and contributed.  Prime Minister Wing  [[Image:602px-UK Royal Coat of Arms.svg.png|20px]] ( Parliament )


 * RR was here first, actually. And he created the Halo Fanon Wiki. -- Don Victor, Sr.  [[Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.png|20px]] ( contact ) 01:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

 Prime Minister Wing  ( Parliament )
 * It brings other users to other wikis, I myself became a member of SWRP because we were partners.