Forum:New High Priest Election

As some of you may have noticed, Dexington recently resigned as a member of the High Priests. Because it's obvious that High Priests are going to have more duties within the next week due to the proposal for a change in Good Article voting that seems likely to pass, it's important that we find a replacement for Dex as quickly as possible. We will hopefully be electing two new High Priests, assuming enough people are nominated. However, we need at least one.

There are a few things you will need to recognize about who can be High Priests.


 * 1) You will need to have enough time to dedicate to properly reviewing and voting for every article that is nominated.
 * 2) If you no longer have the time after you have been elected, it is expected that you will step down and make way for someone who is active.
 * 3) If you have less than 250 edits you may not be nominated, as that is against the Voting Policy.
 * 4) If you have been here for less than one month you may not be nominated, as that is against the Voting Policy.
 * 5) If you have had your voting rights taken away from you and they will not be restored by the time this election ends then you may not be nominated.
 * 6) You do NOT need to have a Good Article to be a High Priest, though it's helpful.
 * 7) Decreton Lords CAN be nominated, but they have the right to reject the nomination if they do not want to serve in both positions at one time.

The last three obviously have to do with the Voting Policy. One thing I'm going to throw out that's different is that you may nominate yourself, though you cannot vote for yourself. I'm saying you can nominate yourself because there are a very limited number of candidates this time around, so it's important that anyone who is interested that meets the above qualifications has a say in whether they are nominated. However, per the Voting Policy, you cannot vote for yourself. When you nominate someone or yourself, please do it like so:


 * ===Name===
 * ====Support====
 * ====Oppose====
 * ====Neutral====
 * ====Discussion====

Whether you are nominated by someone else or you nominate yourself, you must state in the discussion section of your nomination why you feel that you are the most qualified person for this job. I'd like to see at least a paragraph or two from each nominee that says why they feel they are qualified, what experience they have, what they will bring to the job, and anything else they feel is important for the voters to know about. This will allow for people to vote based on qualifications rather than just a popularity contest.

So, instead of rambling on, I'll wrap this up. Basically, vote for whomever you feel is most qualified based on what they said. Also remember to remain cognizant of the qualifications, and remember that you may nominate yourself per my above reasons. Voting will end two weeks today on Thursday, June 5th at 11:59pm EST, though the voting period can and will be extended or shortened if need be. Good luck to all who are nominated! - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom) (Record) 01:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Current standings

 * 1) Darth tom (1)
 * 2) Unit 8311 (0)
 * 3) Drewton (0)
 * 4) Troyb (0)

Support

 * 1) I'll not vote for myself. If anyone votes for me, I'll accept, but I'm not arrogant enough to nominate myself. This User has many FA's and GA's, and has been a great all round user. I've never seen him vote on GA's, but I'm sure he'd make the effort if he was made an HP. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 05:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Per above.TroybShadowFeed contribs[[Image:Council ROTS.jpg|50px]] 17:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) I do not think that 11 would, as he is now, be ideal for the position. He has shown in the past to, like his associate Troyb, and Troyb's associate, the late Darthtyler, be opposed to receiving criticism on at least one occasion. The occasion I refer to is the little incident wherein he changed the contents of the article "Darth Tyler" in an effort to discredit a review on the article which I made (see my userpage) or the article "Darth Tyler"'s history. Of course, the article in question was not actually his, but his actions implied that he held a positive opinion of the article, and was offended in some manner by my review of it. Aside from that, I find it hard to take a vast majority of 11's work here on SWFanon seriously (such as article "Zeltron Osteoporosical Monoamine Gangliate"), and even the stuff which he intended to be completely serious are not much better (Impervious Device, Steel Legion, Unit 8311). For those reasons, I oppose this nomination. -MPK 15:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm inclined to agree. --Victor (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) I think Unit could potentially be capable of this position, but I'm inclined to also agree with the opposition. I'm just not sure at this point, so I'd like Unit to see what Unit has to say. - President Brandon Rhea  [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom) (Record) 17:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Thanks for the nomination tom. I'm not completely sure if I'd make a good HP, though, but I'll see how things go. Unit 8311 07:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I still think it would make things easier to have an odd number of HP's....I actually said that in my first or second edit ever on SWF. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 10:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason that I'm asking for two is that we have two barely active High Priests. This is to keep up a proper amount of activity. Besides, we're all of a like mind and the odds of a tie are really, really low. - President Brandon Rhea  [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom) (Record) 13:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Alrght. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 15:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Brandon, may I ask who the two individuals you refer to are? -MPK 15:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's who I meant. I wasn't referring to you, MPK. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom) (Record) 17:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd imagine he's referring to Xepeyon and Gnosis. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

"I've never seen him vote on GA's"

- Darth tom

That just stands out to me... --Victor (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. It wouldn't make sense that a nominee doesn't review GANs, and yet they are still ready for the position. Or, at least, it doesn't make sense that Tom would say that Unit doesn't review if he is in support of him. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 19:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what stood out about it. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 20:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Darth tom
I have decided to renege on my former ideals, because Obi maul12 suggested me. Seeing as he cannot vote, I've taken this as a nomination, and will duly accept. My reasons are as follows:

I have made it my personal aim to have commented on all of the GA noms recently, as you can se from previous weeks. When reviewing, I trawl through the page on edit, to check everything up, on MS Word, with the language set to US. Although it sometimes misses things, I'm getting better at identifying words that are different in our two variations of the English language, and I often present users with long reasons about what's wrong with their article, and how to improve it.

Secondly, I already do reviewing for CUSWFN. Although Obi maul12 has submitted many reviews recently, I did so previously, and during his ban, and have written many reviews, stating what's wrong with the article, and how it could be improved. This would merely be another review, although a far more important one, and I would take due care over this review, should I recieve the position.

Lastly, I would be prepared to spend time on this; I don't have that busy a schedule nomally, and I normally do vote relatively early in the week, with an exception being this week. What bugged me during the voting for Sela Kerroro was that no one bar Vic voted on any of its renominations. Apart from the fact that it's my article, it's a travesty, and I believe CBT's Darth Faust article was in the same position as mine. I'm most definitely active, and would take due care to vote every week. I also am familiar with the rqquirements, and have two GA's of my own.

I feel I'm ready for this. I hope you'll agree. My page iChat What I've done 16:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) I've decided to throw my vote to Tom, after a lot of searching and examining of the contributions and userpages of the most active users. I looked for, in my search, 1) Contributions (and a userpage) that include critical analysis of another's article, 2) a history of responsibility and taking action, and 3) having written a good article or two. The most impressive results of my research are already HPs, except for Darth Tom. All these are very important in an HP; Tom is somewhat in the "focus on the bright side" crowd, which can let some of the lesser quality articles through the system, but I think this is not a big enough drawback to take away my vote; I'll look for perfectionism more in DL elections. --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 02:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I've decided to support Tom, and I'll echo Threepio and I think that Tom has proven that he can handle this job. While I think that he may sometimes seem to be easily swayed, I think that we've only seen that in things that aren't important and really aren't worth arguing. With something important like being a High Priest, I think that will change and I will certainly be there to help him. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 02:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Brandon and Threepio. I'm glad you feel me up to this, and I'll try my best at all costs to improve, and achieve the standards which you believe in me for. Brandon, you always being there for help says a lot to me. It'll be far harder for me to fail now! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Although tom has done a lot lately by taking on CUSWFN and he recently reviewed a few articles, I do not believe he is ready to be a High Priest. He often misinterprets what others tell him in interviews, reviews, criticisms, or whatever the case may be, which has bugged me a lot in the past. While I do know that tom can review an article, and regardless if he may have time or not, he also still has to learn to follow the article guidelines himself, as some of his articles require cleanup themselves. Lastly, tom is far too easily swayed by others opinions in matters, and I fear that if he's a HP, his friends would be able to convince him to overlook Mary Sue content and the like. As with Unit, neutrality is the biggest issue here. Sorry tom... for now... --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 16:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, but may I ask what you mean by 'friends'? I judge an article by its quality, not by who wrote it. And I wouldn't dream of overlooking a Mary Sue; there should be some sort of policy against them. Please get back to me on how I'm 'easily swayed', as I'd love to work in this area, and improve. Thanks. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) **What I mean by easily swayed is that you never argue your points. As soon as someone opposes you, such as in your proposal for a portal or your proposal for that subpage policy, regardless of the fact that I opposed both, you gave up. You didn't try to argue, so I have a feeling that you would say (for example) "Such and such seems a bit Mary Sue" and the author would say "No it's not" and then you'd just agree and let it pass. I'm glad you're not willing to look past Mary Sues... and there doesn't need to be a rule for it because if you have a legitimate argument that a concept is Mary Sue you are able to oppose an article with it. As for your friends, I was referring to Unit or Arav, both who work with you in Project Cruentus. Which just reminded me of another thing. We both said that Arav needed to mature. Just one day after we said that, Arav didn't really mature, but just stopped acting like a extremely immature kid, yet you said something like "Wow you've matured a lot! I can see it!", in reference to the "easily swayed" matter. I have nothing against you personally, I like you and I'm glad you're helping out with what you can. I just believe you need some more experience in the critique area and standing your ground. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 17:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) ***Well I never argued the Portal point because you came up with concrete evdience for why it wasn't needed. If someone came up with evidence (concrete of course) for why their article wasn't a Mary Sue, and I had said it was, I would let it pass. Concrete evidence is what is needed. And I consider my relationship with Arav and Unit to be completely of a working nature. The reason I said the maturity thing to Arav is because he had matured, and if we credit him, he could continue down that path. Encouragement is needed, or he would have thought: I'm trying to be mature, but no one cares. Encouragement is needed. And am I not standing my ground here? I will give up on something if it has its key flaws pointed out, and if there is concrete evidence why it is wrong, but if you hadn't provided concrete evidence, I'd have continued fighting. I hold nothing against you Vic; grudges are silly and pointless. Whilst I respect your vote, I believe you're wrong here, and I believe that I can hold this position. It's nothing against you, it's mrerely my views. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) *Of course concrete evidence is needed for things. I know that. My point is that you did not argue your points at all, while (even though I opposed it) I could've gave good reasons as to why a portal could be helpful and needed for the project in the long run. As for the Arav thing, sure, he needs encouragement, but it's apparently not working. See Forum:Resigning. And of course you're standing your ground here, you're nominated for this position that you want. Of course, I don't believe I'm wrong. The fact still remains that even you need to practice the MOS and other guidelines to make your own articles better before you can bestow judgement on others' articles, too. I'm sure you would be active as you are today, but I will not vote for someone just to fill in a position. The user has to be completely neutral and willing to full on review anyone's article both technically (grammar/spelling/format etc.) and otherwise (story/quotes/pictures etc.). Like I said, you need more experience in that general area, and also like I said, I won't vote for you just because you're available. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 17:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) **No, I agree. And you're wrong in the area of a Portal; I did fight. I said numerous posts saying why we needed it, saying things like: It would make it easier for users participating to collaborate, or words to that effect, and you would be stupid just to vote for me to fill a position. The right man for the job is needed. And we all have areas to improve on Star Wars Fanon, and I'm not exempt from that. However, I believe that I've provided useful evidence in the past, and I'll continue to fight my cause. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) *Good. --<font color="#9F05">Victor  <font color="#AA00">(talk) 17:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Hmm, this is a tough one. I'll have to think about it. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 19:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Ditto. Is there a "thoughtful" smiley? -MPK 19:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) *Even though template isn't supposed to be for thinking, it works, if you look at the guy right.  --  Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 19:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
Tom reminded me of something from Episode I...

"I am ready for the trials…"

- Obi-Wan Kenobi

Just thought I'd point that out. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 17:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * . [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * May I also point out that Obi Wan was, in my opinion, ready, and he also gained experience by having the position thrust upon him. I was hardly ready to take up CUSWFN, yet it was the making of me. I'd have been a nothing of a user before that, but I've gained so much experience in SWF from CUSWFN. Obi gained much experience after havin the position of Jedi thrust upon him in Qui-Gon's death, and I feel I can cope if the position is placed upon me. Likening me to Obi-Wan also works in the area of my resolve; I will fight my cause to become an HP until I recieve concrete evidence otherwise. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he did, but he learned from his mistakes and corrected them. You still make constant errors of misinterpretation, HTML/coding errors, and other format-related errors (such as forgetting to change a tab to the proper name or whatever). Therefore you are still learning and still need to fix these errors before I can trust you with an even bigger (and official) position. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 17:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And what's to say I won't learn? I was new and wet behind the ears when I picked up CUSWFN, and I still made (I hope) a good job of that. And I try to take things into consideration, and am improving, and how will I ever improve without a little bit of trust? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Because I don't see improvement. Sure, from the first edition to the latest is clearly an improvement, but like I said, you still misinterpret our interviews, our thoughts on other users, or how things came about, etc. Why do you think I rejected the "Meet a User" opportunity? I didn't want you to misinterpret everything I said. It wouldn't be such a big deal if you weren't running for HP, but you are, so if you continuously misinterpret what we have to say and articles too (as you did with Narod Antrell during the crossword thing) then I believe you need more experience. Tom, if I voted for you, it'd be like voting for Obama just because he makes promises regardless of his no-experience. I need proof you can improve and come through for me. As Ataru said (which is now on the talk page of this forum) we are taking Good Articles very seriously and I need users I can absolutely trust. I now regret voting for certain HPs, since they do nothing at all, and make the HP position useless. Brandon and MPK are the only active HPs (actively doing their duties, but the former more so than the latter). Right now, I trust you will improve, and I hope you will. I like CUSWFN, but I know it can be better. I know that you can improve on all of your errors. I know I did. My writing was terrible and I now I have to pay for it; a lot of my (older) articles need rewriting because of this, and currently I only have a few articles that are "good" and I know this. I just need to see more experience, more improvement, and more dedication to those two. Like I said, I won't vote for you just because you may be good or just because we need a new HP. As I told Brandon though, I currently dislike the HP position entirely since no one does anything really, aside from what I mentioned earlier, rendering the position useless. I also told him I won't vote for anyone just to add to the list of do-nothings. And I currently see no good candidates for the positions. I admit, you are the best choice, but even still, I cannot vote for you, per my reasons all over the place. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 18:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I respect what you're saying, but I'm not going to pull out. I'll fight for as long as it's necessary. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I never said you had to pull out. I just said I won't support you... this time... --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 18:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I also said I'd respect that. I also feel, however, I can gain the votes of other users. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The reason I feel that Tom is ready for this position is that, in the long run, I think he'll be able to shake off some of his bad habits he has in arguments; whilst I agree with Vic that you do give up easily sometimes, Tom, you know what you're doing, and you know how to inspect an article. I just think that you "bow in" too much to the arguments of those in higher positions than you, such as Vic. Both Vic and Brandon know that I don't bow in to their arguments, though most of the time they have better arguments than me anyway. I think that's just because I pick the wrong battles to fight.

Anyway, my point is that I believe Tom understands the importance of the position, and will therefore fulfill it to his highest ability. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 19:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Obi, but I don't give a damn if it's Vic, Brandon, or the head of the EU proposing anything. I judge everything by its individual merit. And, by me not arguing my points, what the hell do you call the whole oppose section of my nomination? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I call it some of the best arguing I've seen from you so far. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 19:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And that's called no concrete evidence given. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

So it isn't good arguing? Do I need concrete evidence to show that? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 20:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it is good, but I'm arguing all of my previous arguments, that I haven't fought in your opinion. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, first off, this is the first time you've ever argued your points, and secondly, it's not good argument if you can't convince the opposition, so in this case, we both fail. --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 20:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I meant that he provided good, solid arguments with convincing points, regardless of whether or not you were convinced. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 21:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Then the argument was not convincing, was it? --<font color="#9F05">Victor <font color="#AA00">(talk) 22:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that argument's convincing. --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 02:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't convincing enough for you. --  Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 02:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Arav, you're just adding people for the sake of it. As Vic said with me, it's irrelevant wether he's active or not; it's about his skill. Drewton's a great user, but I've never seen him vote on a single GA, comment on any Forum regarding GA's, write a GA or do anything to do with them. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 08:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
I am adding people who I think who are good contenders. Drewton is pritty active. I really don’t want any Decreton Lords to fill High Priest spots because it’s just too much work. He has made the photonovel, The Drewton Legacy. I like it. So it’s really up to you guys. If he does not want to be a high priest then he just has to remove himself from the Election.--  Arav the Undersith ( Talk Page ). 07:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
I can’t vote for this person but I would if I could. He has stated that he plays a lot of football. He is the Most Collaborative Author (with Darthtyler) in the Third Wiki awards! His article New Confederacy of Independent Systems was a former good article. I think he is a great contender! If he does not wish to be a contender then he just has to remove himself.--  Arav the Undersith ( Talk Page ). 07:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)