Forum:Proposal to De-Sysop Jack Phoenix

Once upon a time, there was a Star Wars Fanon user named Jack Phoenix. There was a time when he was a good, active user and a great Administrator. This time, unfortunately, has passed. About eight months ago, we had a proposal to demote Jack from Administator to regular user, although that failed, and rightfully so. All we had was “Jack is inactive”, but the truth was that a lot of Administrators were active. At that time, kind of inactive Administrators included Jasca Ducato, NKSCF, CurrentBigThing, JM76 and, sometimes, C3PO the Dragon Slayer. Therefore, unless we demoted all of them, it just was not right to demote Jack Phoenix. Now I have more justification for this:


 * 1) First of all, there is the inactivity thing. That justification stays. Taking a look at Jack’s contributions, he has only made THREE edits in the last SEVEN months. One was on a MediaWiki page, and the other two were edits to his user page. This isn’t appropriate from an Administrator, although it is not enough to remove his Administrative status.
 * 2) Awhile back on IRC, Darth tom asked Jack whether or not he intended to come back to Star Wars Fanon. He also mentioned how JM76 and Vic had done the “honorable thing” by stepping down when they realized they no longer had the time to contribute as an Administrator. Jack responded by saying that he had a life so he did not want to spend time in front of a computer all day, almost implying that we on Star Wars Fanon have no life. Aside from that apparent implication, which could be a misinterpretation, the fact remains that he seems to have no desire to continue contributing here. He should not longer keep his Administrative status if he does not want to contribute here now or sometime in the future.
 * 3) Just as a caveat, before Vic and I proposed the first proposal to demote Jack Phoenix, we sent Jack two emails asking him whether he’d consider stepping down. He did not reply to any of them, so clearly he’s not committed enough to so much as take two seconds to send out an email.
 * 4) A few weeks ago, Tom attempted to put out another olive branch to Jack to have a civil conversation about Jack’s future on Star Wars Fanon. Rather than responding in a more diplomatic fashion that would be becoming of an Administrator, Jack said he found the harassment about Star Wars Fanon annoying (despite it being only the second conversation) and that he was going to ignore the “harassment”. Having a civil conversation is harassment? I don’t think so. I find such a reaction to be indicative of a lack of commitment to the website, but more than that a lack of respect towards it (the same goes for the “no life” thing).

So there you have it. If you’re like me and a few others, you wouldn’t want Jack Phoenix to stay on as an Administrator after all of this either. Now, just to brush off what Jack’s allies will likely say, we do not have to demote inactive Administrators like Jasca and NKSCF because Wikia Staff wanted both of them to retain their Administrative powers for future use. They also just got very busy so no longer had time to contribute to ANY Wikia Wiki, unlike Jack who is still active on the MediaWiki Wiki (check his contributions there) and possibly others. Jack told Tom something to the effect of “if Jimmy Wales is fine with inactive Admins, then you should be too”. Inactive Admins like Jasca and NKSCF is one thing; inactive Admins with an attitude and a disrespect towards Star Wars Fanon and its members is something else entirely and should not be tolerated.

Now I just want to say for myself that this is not a personal matter, which was an accusation made during the first failed proposal. I’ve never had any personal problems with Jack. My problem is his inactivity, but more so his inactivity combined with his attitude. Unlike Jasca and NKSCF who hope to become active again here one day, I do not sense that Jack has any intention to do so. If he did, I think he’d be doing what Jasca and NKSCF do, and that’s participate in the community every so often when they have the time. Because I do not believe he wants to become active here again, I do not believe he should continue holding Administrative rights.

If you believe Jack should be demoted, don’t let people guilt you into backing down like they did back in March during the first proposal. If you believe that this should be done, then vote to support this. Keep in mind that when you go to vote, you need to meet the qualifications of the Voting Policy (meaning you need 100 mainspace/article edits). This vote will remain open for two weeks (until Wednesday, November 26, 2008), unless there is an earlier overwhelming consensus on the matter. - Brandon Rhea (talk) (contribs) 20:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Remove Jack’s Admin rights (8)

 * 1) As the proposer. - Brandon Rhea (talk) (contribs) 20:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) --[[Image:Darth tom sig.png|100px]] (talk) (contributions) 20:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I guess. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) --  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 20:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Unfortunately, yes. [[Image:NKsig.png|70px]] Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 20:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *This helps to prove my point about the difference between Jack's inactivity and NKSCF's inactivity. No one emailed or left a talk page message for NKSCF, so the only way he could know about this is if he was actually making an attempt to be active whenever he can. - Brandon Rhea (talk) (contribs) 20:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Although the inactive thing is considered not enough, I have to say that inactiveness would make me demote anyone...even the wikis where I am an admin and not active anymore.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 21:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Finally, and per tyler. --Victortalk 23:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Green eggs and ham. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 00:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Per Vic. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 00:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Neutral (1)
Are the rights hurting anything? There shouldn't be an outstanding reason to desysop for inactivity. I think Jack is more involved with MediaWiki development, so he doesn't have as much time to spend on here as he might like. Notice his contributions slowed down in April and he started his volunteer development in May. The two might be related. My two cents :) Charitwo 00:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Just a note, I don't have the specific Internet Relay Chat quotes from Jack, and what I said is all based on memory. --[[Image:Darth tom sig.png|100px]] (talk) (contributions) 20:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Admittedly, I haven't had time for doing much of anything here and I really wish that was not true. I've said this openly and also said that I'd come back when I could to continue to contribute as much as I previously did. Jack, on the other hand&mdash;and I love the guy to death&mdash;we've had some good times&mdash;has not done so and I don't really like that. Not trying to put myself on a higher pedestal here or anything, but I think, as of now, his privilege of being an admin should go. Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles 20:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "don’t let people guilt you into backing down like they did back in March during the first proposal" - Brandon; The thing I find funny, in here, is that you, Brandon, were the only one who backed down (or even voiced his opinion in support at all, alongside myself). :P --Victortalk 23:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)