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TFU review
Hi, Vic. I saw your TFU review on MPK's talk page and would like to discussion some of your points.

'''So first off, why the hell would Vader pick this kid up? His duty was to kill all Jedi – hence the Great Jedi Purge – not become friends with the son of two other Jedi.''' Galen wasn't a Jedi at the time, and possibly not even old enough to remember his father (or so we're led to believe).
 * Still doesn't answer the question.

I mean he had to know the kid would eventually realize, from the goodness of his heart (cliché, I know), that what the Empire and Vader were doing were wrong. Not necessarily. Maul didn't, and he was trained in a similar way. The NEGTTF states that he was Palpatine's "secret apprentice" while Plagueis was still alive.
 * Fair enough.

Another thing of how this already does not fit canon is the fact that Starkiller (as he is dubbed) is never even mentioned in the films. I agree, it is a bit strange, but they can't help that. Hopefully they'll give him a mention in the next special edition.
 * Yeah, like I said, this is what happens when you create major plots thirty years after the original plot and have no way to fit it in. I really hope they don't anything about this at all.

'''Luke Skywalker, son of Vader, is the one who was supposed to be taken in by Vader as his apprentice. Vader knew Luke was the only one who had the power to help him overthrow Emperor Palpatine, making Vader’s struggle and the fact that Luke is his son much more meaningful.''' The difference was that Luke was the one Vader wanted to rule the galaxy with. Starkiller was only a tool.
 * Yeah, but that doesn't mean the plot is meaningless and has no inspiration behind it.

'''There is no meaning behind it, no special feeling, no good reason. Why would Vader defy the Emperor like this and try to keep it secret? He knows you can’t hide anything from the Emperor. The dude’s one of the greatest Sith Lords ever.''' At the end of the game, it sounded like Vader and Palpatine had been plotting the whole thing from the beginning together, and the "by taking this boy as your apprentice, you have betrayed me, blablabla" was simply an act. Or Vader had only wanted to use Galen to overthrow Palpatine and then kill him after that so he would never be betrayed.
 * Yeah I know, I mentioned that later in my review somewhere. This is just criticizing that point of the story at the time of playing, before realizing it was all a plot.

'''Why couldn’t Vader just train Marek as a Dark Jedi, and, as time went on, as an Inquisitor? I mean canon has established there are several dozen other Inquisitors running around, such as Jerec (main villain from Dark Forces II) that are pretty powerful. Why couldn’t Marek just be another one of those guys?''' He was a Dark Jedi. The Rule of Two didn't allow him to be a Sith. And being an Inquisitor would be...boring. This is a game.
 * So? You can't fight as an Inquisitor? Would it really make a difference (gameplay wise) if he was an Inquisitor or not? Story wise, it would've. At least Vader could've gotten away with making him his "apprentice" by saying he was just another Inquisitor.

'''Did Vader seriously think he could overthrow the Emperor? It’s a big joke to me.''' Not he alone, no, but with their combined strength they could easily. Or, as I said above, he never was planning to use him to overthrow the Emperor.
 * Only because the game made Marek so ridiculously powerful.

'''We have seen through other levels of canon (Expanded Universe) and the films that no Jedi could defeat Darth Vader. Not the Dark Woman, not eight Jedi at once at the Conclave of Kessel, and not Obi-Wan Kenobi on the Death Star.''' It's still possible, especially considering that Galen was the child of two Jedi. Vader didn't really defeat Obi-Wan; Obi-Wan sacrificed himself, and he likely would have been much more powerful when he was younger.
 * Right on Obi-Wan, but I doubt he would've defeated Vader anyway. Otherwise, he could've just held him off some more. And of course he lost power in his exile, but doesn't mean he was weak stuff. And like I said, I don't buy it. I don't like being introduced to this new Mary Sue and having his story forced into C-Canon and that he can defeat Vader. The EU is making Vader out to be a wimp. The only good EU story where Vader is defeated and I find it a great story is where he fights the doppleganger of Darth Maul and his hate for himself is powerful enough to defeat the doppleganger, after being beaten up badly.

'''So of course, Vader throws good old Marek out the transparisteel window INTO SPACE. Yet, the scumbag survives because Vader saved him and wanted him alive. Gee, surprise! If people can’t say that surviving being thrown into space, where one would literally implode, is ridiculous an absolutely the trait of a Mary Sue, then you are in denial or simply like Mary Sues. That’s just my take. Making him uber-powerful? Sure. Making him invincible? Noooo. That’s just ridiculous.''' Remember, this is Star Wars, where ships can land on asteroids. The idea also isn't entirely new; the window of the bridge of the Invisible Hand was shattered for a few seconds.
 * Right, but the organic beings didn't go flying out. They weren't thrown out the window with the Force and literally into space. This is different. Marek actually was in space, and as we all should've learned in school, no oxygen whatsoever equals death for us, and our organs would explode, causing us as a whole to implode.

Of course, Kota does nothing while Marek does all the work himself, and the defeats Vader. He wasn't exactly able to. He was blind and had lost his connection to the Force.
 * I know - I find it humorous because he went in there for no reason other than to be a plot device for Palpatine to fatally wound Marek.

Luke is the only one with such a powerful connection to the Force and is therefore the only one worthy of such an accomplishment, in my opinion. When Luke defeated Vader in ROTJ, he wasn't even near his full potential and had no real training from anyone except Yoda, which only lasted for a few days, whereas Vader, the Chosen One, trained him for nearly two decades to use the Force without limits. Vader was also defeated in .
 * Exactly - only Luke is so powerful. Not Marek.

'''Marek is able to summon all his power and explode, or something, to distract Palpatine enough for his rebels to escape. So, two things: One, as I’ve said before, this isn’t Dragon Ball Z. Force-users shouldn’t just be able to summon all their energy and blow themselves up. It just doesn’t work that way. In Dragon Ball, we know they can use energy or “ki” to attack. In Star Wars, the equivalent of ki is the Force, but to a much less energy-style effect. No one shoots beams of power from their hands, mouth, or eyes in Star Wars because no one can. So how Marek can commit suicide by blowing himself up is beyond me.''' If there weren't ridiculous Force powers in this game, this wouldn't be The Force Unleashed. He completely unleashed all of his Force energy, an attack so powerful that it killed him. Sidious and even a fatally-injured Vader proved to be more powerful by surviving. Also, did Galen truly defeat Palpatine, or was it an act to see what he would do? Mace Windu appeared to defeat him in ROTS.
 * On your last point, that could work. However, just because the game was made out to exaggerate the Force, doesn't make it plausible. To me, it's ridiculous and it's not something I could ever believe would happen in the Star Wars universe I have so long followed. I mean I find some of The Clone Wars animated series ridiculous, in terms of super hi jumps Windu was making or his super kung fu he used on the super battle droids. My point is that even if the powers were meant to be exaggerated or "unleashed" as in this game or the show, it doesn't make it "awesome!" or "believable!" for me.

'''I mean sure, Rebels have escaped from Imperials before as seen in the films, but this is Palpatine we’re talking about. He should have the baddest, strongest, largest fleet of stormies in the whole Imperial lot.''' From ROTJ: "My best troops await them." And they get defeated by the Care Bears  Drewton   ( Drewton's Holocron ) 21:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Touché! :P --Victor [[Image:Vic sig logo.png|15px]] talk 21:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I do agree that Starkiller's apprenticeship was pointless if he was only meant to route out the rebels. That's something Vader could have done himself, not train a boy 16 years to do. However, I also think that Vader could have only decided that during the 6-month period that Starkiller was being healed in. The only reason I would doubt that is Vader telling Galen he lied from the beginning. Still, even if so, the plot wasn't meaningless, as Starkiller was the one who inspired the creation of the Rebel Alliance. Without him, there may never have been one, and the Senators who started it may have died. Games aren't mean to have good stories, only to be fun, and I thought it succeeded in both of those very well. Look at Jedi Academy. That had great reviews and was extremely fun, but the story was terrible. I don't know much about the Inquisitors, maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't Palpatine know about him then? IMO, it would be quite easy for Obi-Wan to defeat Vader. He cut off his limbs in EP3 and Vader was only a shell of what he once was in ANH. The movies are what made Anakin a whimp. I have to agree with you that going out into space was a bit ridiculous, but again, Star Wars often doesn't follow the laws of physics. Kota was there because he was captured by the Empire, like the other Senators. Luke was much more powerful than Marek, but Marek was still possibly powerful enough to defeat Palpatine, unless if he was brilliantly acting. Reimagining the Force was the point of the game, and for me it's never been so fun to use it. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 22:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

New stuff
View it presently!!!!!--  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 17:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Image
Vic, if it's not too much trouble, would you mind attempting to remove the arrows from this image, please? It'd do well as a character of mine from TLM. If it's too much hassle I understand, but if you could? -- (talk) (contributions) 19:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah. If you could come on AIM, please, I'll upload it somewhere else and post you the link then. --[[Image:Darth tom sig.png|100px]] (talk) (contributions) 19:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Thanks
You're welcome. It's okay; I needed something to do anyway. -- Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 23:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

To tide you over
Just so you don't attack me next time we talk... I added some information to Part IV. Check it out. It's a new section underneath the part with Epin and his mom. :)--  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 21:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Done
It's done. -- Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 03:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. -- Michaeldsuarez [[Image:Sabersmilygreend.jpg|20px]] ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 03:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Growth Rate Gene
Hello. Just asking if you can restore my Growth Rate Gene article. I promise to categorize it as soon as you restore it back to me. Thank you.--Delta353c (Talk) 09:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Quote template
There is something wrong with the Quote template that I can't quite figure out. It may not be the template itself, since some quotes still work. The quotes have shifted and the only thing showing is the reference, which has been placed within the quotation marks. Only one quote remains on each page. I've tried refreshing the page, repasting the quotes, retyping them, even modifying the template (within the quote, not the actual template). View: this, this, and this for details about what I'm talking about. I don't know if any of this will help, but it's kind of concerning. Thanks. --  Tesh  162  17:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. --  Tesh  162  05:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

IRC
Hey man, if you're not busy, jump on IRC. Rhea and I are just BSin.--  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 22:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Aduro
Thanks for the heads up. You know, it's funny; I was looking at your Aduro page today, and didn't even realize that I was using the character name! XP It probably wasn't even going to remain Aduro Nython anyway (I have at least three pages on Microsoft Word of possible names), so if you have any problems with me using the name, please let me know and I'll gladly change it.

By the way, speaking of your creations, I love what I've read so far! I haven't had time to read everything about Knighthood, or the SVS in general, but it looks great so far! :) // ~mikah~  23:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

KOTOR - The Wait is Over
I've seen that you're a fan of KOTOR, so you may be interested in this site saying that the wait for the next KOTOR game is over. And since KOTOR 3 is the game fans have been waiting for, not a MMO... Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Sorry I used a template and thats what it gave me and I dont know how to change the pictures or I would use different pictures.  Mal-Man(who insists that you call him the mad hatter)  communicate 04:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Name
You're just jealous 'cos yours was revealed long ago. -- (talk) (contributions) 17:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome
You're welcome. -- Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 12:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Noticed something
I was looking at Roviik_Antrell and noticed you have a link to DeviantArt in the BTS like this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DeviantART I wasn't sure if this was at one time an actual page, a mistake, or what. Anyway, I thought I'd just point it out to you. Talk to you later. -- Kathkira talk  06:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Justified text
Hey there, Vic. I was just wondering, do you know of a way to justify all of the text in an article, such as this, with only one, or do I have to post it for each individual line break? (If not, don't worry about it; I don't necessarily have a problem with the set-up now.) Thanks! // ~mikah~  12:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Shame. Well, thank you for the reply. :) // ~mikah~  19:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Johun Othone
Vic that IP that just edited Johun Othone was me. Sorry I forgot to log in but please do not revert that edit! I just got done making all the revisions on the article that were suggested in that HP Review before my 2 month absence.  Anti-Formal  Come slang wit' me Work I've Put In 15:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yes I almost forgot can I ask your personal opinion on whether or not I should put Johun Othone back up for GA nomination? Anti-Formal  Come slang wit' me Work I've Put In 16:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I have that's why I asked you if I should renominate it.76.249.23.64 21:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Narod Antrell - Jedi Academy
Hi, Vic. I started working on a Narod Antrell reskin for Jedi Academy. There's obviously still a lot more to do, both on the face and the robes.

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Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

 * Thanks for fixing up the Dark Maw. I put "Main Characters" beacuse I didn't know how to spell "personae". P.S. I couldn't find an infobox for a book series. Is there one? All I could find was the single book one...--Zakkoroen, who, like Batman, is made of awesome. 01:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Part V!
Part V...Is not posted yet. :S   But, I am partway through with it, and it should be up by Wednesday.--  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 12:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Starkiller vs Sidious
Since we were discussing this earlier, I thought I'd point this out. I was looking on the official SW.com databank and found this. "As Juno rescued the Senators, Starkiller confronted the Sith Lords who had been manipulating him for years. Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious. Bombarded by Force lightning, Starkiller did not fight back but instead unleashed all the power of the Force within him, causing a tremendous blast that shattered the Emperor's tower and caused enough of a distraction to allow Eclipse and the Rebel Senators to escape."

- Databank

So it seems like Sidious really was faking defeat in their earlier fight, as he had in his duel with Windu, and the entire duel was simply a test. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

This should keep you quiet
Hey man, I added on to Part IV - Family Values, as it deals with Epin's sister. I figured family values/family/sister/Rena. Anyways, you can find it after the Leia/Winter/Breha section. :) --  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 18:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
What makes you think Blockaderunner is Walrusman9? - Brandon Rhea (talk) (contribs) 23:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Era icon
Thanks for the help, Vic! :) // ~mikah~  00:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Review
Hey, Vic. I was wondering if you could review The Fanon Menace: A Day in the Life of a Stormtrooper? I'm thinking of nominating it for GA, however, to make the process quicker, I was hoping to have an experienced author here look over it. I was hoping you would be willing to look over it if you're not too busy working on getting some of your own articles back to FA status. Anyway, thanks. --  Tesh  162  13:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured works icon
Ya the trophy looks best. Sorry I was detained elsewhere until just after you and Ataru left. -- Kathkira talk  23:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Images
Victor, since when did unregistered users have the ability to upload images. Image:AGen.jpg was uploaded by an unregistered user. -- Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 00:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is new. I just told an unregistered user to source their images. -- Michaeldsuarez [[Image:Sabersmilygreend.jpg|20px]] ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 00:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Conjecture
Victor, Sith-venator doesn't have a conjecture-ish title. If you read the article (with protective goggles), you'll see that the article says, "His parents named him Sith-venator." Since that's the name his parents actually gave him, the article's name isn't conjecture. -- Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 03:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's okay; I only looked at the infobox and the first paragraph. -- Michaeldsuarez [[Image:Sabersmilygreend.jpg|20px]] ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 03:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Done.
Finished. -- Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 03:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I present to you
Part V. Note that it is not complete, it is only the first section. I will be expanding on it. :) --  CurrentBigThing  ( Speak ) 12:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Narod Antrell
I got another monitor, bigger than my old one so I could take larger screenshots. How's this? I'm nearly complete. I'd like to get the likeness on the face a bit better, but I don't think that's possible using the Anakin model. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 16:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but...
If you're going to make fun of me, at least do it are my talk page and not another user's article (See this). Do you believe that another user actually wants to have other users bash their article on their page's history? If you got a problem, please discuss it with me; please don't do it on another user's page history. Thanks. - Michaeldsuarez  ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 19:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, but you don't actually break any policies. -- Michaeldsuarez [[Image:Sabersmilygreend.jpg|20px]] ( Talk ) ( Deeds ) 22:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Voting
K sorry. And indeed I am. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 22:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

And hey, since it's my 13th birthday, (and I know I've said this before), I say we just put any differences in opinion or anything else behind us and start off fresh. In the past few months, but really the last few weeks, I've finally realized that (especially on Star Wars wikis :P, and for me) arguing is just no fun. I just want to get along with my fellow editors and enjoy myself, which is, for the most part, what wikis really are all about. What do you say? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 23:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and for the record, Giants FTW. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 23:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

That's right. I'm staring at you right now, as a matter for fact. What are you doing, anyway? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 23:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Image

 * Vic, what did you place the trophy icon under? I need the eras| name and the image name please, at your convenience. Thanks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Seers icon
Hey Vic, would you be able to make some sort of an era icon for the Council of Seers? If you have any ideas for it, that'd be a big help because I really can't think of anything other than a yellow-bladed lightsaber lol. - Brandon Rhea (talk) (contribs) 01:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a suggestion, in the TSL Jedi Council chambers which is used for the CS article, there's an interesting symbol that might make a good era icon. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)