Forum:SH:Smells Like Community Spirit - oh wait, just a dead gerbil/record

[2009-08-12 17:10:28]  What we'll do is start with the broad topics that were on my agenda and narrow them down throughout discussion. [2009-08-12 17:10:40]  So the first point was, "The lack of a community and how to fix it, particularly in regards to the community working together to improve the quality of the wiki and increasing the size of the active community so the same people are not performing every task. " [2009-08-12 17:11:10]  And? [2009-08-12 17:11:24]  ? [2009-08-12 17:11:35]  ?? [2009-08-12 17:11:36]  This is the part where people are supposed to start talking. [2009-08-12 17:11:48]  Plans? [2009-08-12 17:12:08]  This is a discussion. You throw out ideas. [2009-08-12 17:13:24]  I think we could be more inviting to newer users. Invite them to participate in community discussion. From what I've noticed, most of the newer users are either too caught up in their own work or lack a reason to become involved in community events. [2009-08-12 17:13:25]  I think we ran out of those after the Writing center was created. [2009-08-12 17:14:03]  Well JM76, how would we get them to stop being so caught up in their own work? This is important considering it's not just new users who are like this, but people who have been here for awhile. [2009-08-12 17:14:24] -->| Nacen (n=Miranda@host217-44-253-12.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:14:26]  That's true. And that's not something I have a definitive idea on. [2009-08-12 17:14:38]  Maybe collaborative projects? [2009-08-12 17:14:56]  Hey Nacen. We were just discussing how to fix the issue of a lack of community, "particularly in regards to the community working together to improve the quality of the wiki and increasing the size of the active community so the same people are not performing every task." [2009-08-12 17:15:10]  Alright. [2009-08-12 17:15:13]  As well as JM's point about how we can get people to not be so caught up in their own work and instead join the community. [2009-08-12 17:15:43] =-= Brandon_Rhea has changed the topic to ``Discussing the current problems facing the community, as well as how to fix them. Feel free to chime in.'' [2009-08-12 17:16:27] <JM76> And as for the previous point of the writing center, as MDS brought up: [2009-08-12 17:16:38] <JM76> I'm not sure what he was implying, but I think said forum is a good idea, but it needs more attention. [2009-08-12 17:16:52] <JM76> Currently, only 3PO, and occasionally Bac, are utilizing it. [2009-08-12 17:17:09] <Michaeldsuarez> How to attrack more users there? [2009-08-12 17:17:10] <Brandon_Rhea> The circumstances behind the creation of that forum bother me, and I think it's one of the issues we have to look at in dealing with the community problems. [2009-08-12 17:17:26] <Brandon_Rhea> In the forum where the writing center was approved, the goal was to fix the FA problem. [2009-08-12 17:17:33] <Brandon_Rhea> We somehow got the writing center. [2009-08-12 17:17:47] <Brandon_Rhea> We need to really be focused on the issues at hand. [2009-08-12 17:17:54] <Brandon_Rhea> Anyway, my saying that is not focused on the issues at hand. [2009-08-12 17:17:56] <Brandon_Rhea> So let us continue. :P [2009-08-12 17:18:21] -->| Pinky (n=pinkeh@uncyclopedia/Pinky49) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:19:35] <Michaeldsuarez> Interesting... [2009-08-12 17:19:48] <Brandon_Rhea> If we can stay on topic, that would be great. [2009-08-12 17:19:57] <JM76> Well, we had a significantly more active community back in 06, from what I recall. [2009-08-12 17:20:06] <JM76> What was so different then than now? [2009-08-12 17:20:11] <Brandon_Rhea> Quality [2009-08-12 17:20:14] <JM76> And inb4 snide remarks. [2009-08-12 17:20:23] <JM76> Well, yes, quality. [2009-08-12 17:20:34] <JM76> But surely that could not have affected the attitude of the community? [2009-08-12 17:20:37] <Brandon_Rhea> Somehow the enforcement of policies (that were always there, mind you) and the raising of quality somehow stopped people from being in the community. [2009-08-12 17:20:44] <Brandon_Rhea> More so the former. [2009-08-12 17:20:57] <Michaeldsuarez> Agreed. [2009-08-12 17:21:01] <Brandon_Rhea> I would also say that the lack of a vandal threat and the increase in maturity from the core user base had to do with it. [2009-08-12 17:21:17] <JM76> Yeah. I'd be inclined to agree. [2009-08-12 17:21:18] <Brandon_Rhea> For example, when we have vandals now, we don't put together groups like the Vandal Poachers. [2009-08-12 17:21:21] <Brandon_Rhea> We just deal with the issue. [2009-08-12 17:22:41] <Pinky> OHAI [2009-08-12 17:22:49] <Michaeldsuarez> Topic. [2009-08-12 17:23:21] <Michaeldsuarez> Nevermind. [2009-08-12 17:23:28] <Brandon_Rhea> So I think the thing we need to deal with is keeping the more mature users active, while also recognizing the fact that the majority of people are going to be young and immature. [2009-08-12 17:23:56] <Michaeldsuarez> Adopt bad articles? [2009-08-12 17:23:58] <JM76> Yeah. And by getting some of those younger members involved in the community, obviously. [2009-08-12 17:24:30] <Brandon_Rhea> Well Michael, while being so into your own articles that you're not involved in the community is bad, most people don't have time to juggle community, their own work, AND other people's works on top of that. [2009-08-12 17:24:43] <Brandon_Rhea> I think the bad articles, not in terms of story mind you but the ones that violate the MOS and such, just need to be deleted [2009-08-12 17:24:44] -->| Merc| (n=ad44324c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-46deea70135e3de8) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:24:56] <Brandon_Rhea> We may drive away users if their articles get blasted, but at least the users we have will be following the policies. [2009-08-12 17:25:08] <JM76> That's kind of our problem at the moment. [2009-08-12 17:25:10] =-= LO|Away is now known as Lord_Oblivion [2009-08-12 17:25:17] <JM76> We have a sparse amount of users that follow policy. [2009-08-12 17:25:19] <JM76> Not much else. [2009-08-12 17:25:28] <Merc|> Rhea: Suggestion? [2009-08-12 17:25:45] <Brandon_Rhea> This is an open discussion. [2009-08-12 17:25:58] <Merc|> loosen the policies where possible. Give users more room to work with [2009-08-12 17:26:05] <Brandon_Rhea> The policies already are loose. [2009-08-12 17:26:20] <Brandon_Rhea> The MoS is no different than any other wiki that at least attempts to take itself seriously. [2009-08-12 17:26:35] <JM76> Then perhaps the problem lies with enforcement? [2009-08-12 17:26:42] =-= C3POtheD|away is now known as C3POtheD [2009-08-12 17:26:46] <Brandon_Rhea> How so, JM? [2009-08-12 17:26:47] <C3POtheD> No [2009-08-12 17:27:00] <JM76> Go ahead, 3PO. I'll add on afterward. [2009-08-12 17:27:15] <JM76> Even if it's totally unrelated to what you're saying. [2009-08-12 17:28:32] <C3POtheD> Bah. Stupid Conversation [2009-08-12 17:28:38] <Merc|> Rhea: Whats the biggest issue with users that you have? [2009-08-12 17:28:55] <Brandon_Rhea> Merc|: What type of issue do you mean? Personal issues that I have? Etc.? [2009-08-12 17:29:15] <Merc|> issues with policies [2009-08-12 17:29:48] <Brandon_Rhea> The biggest issue that I have is that the MOS has never really been enforced, leading to the horror story known as "clicking the random page button." [2009-08-12 17:30:03] <Brandon_Rhea> I've recently started enforcing it, but it doesn't seem to be catching on just yet. [2009-08-12 17:30:19] <Brandon_Rhea> Other users, such as TrakNar and Nacen, take another approach in correcting certain mistakes that they find. [2009-08-12 17:30:26] <Brandon_Rhea> So at least people are at least BEGINNING to do something. [2009-08-12 17:30:27] -->| TrakNar (n=chatzill@pa-67-234-134-26.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:30:34] <Brandon_Rhea> Speaking of TrakNar... [2009-08-12 17:30:36] <Merc|> do you mind explaining what MOS is [2009-08-12 17:30:40] <TrakNar> Heh... [2009-08-12 17:30:41] <Brandon_Rhea> Manual of Style [2009-08-12 17:31:09] <Michaeldsuarez> Speaking of... [2009-08-12 17:32:02] * Brandon_Rhea will return in 2 minutes. [2009-08-12 17:32:14] <JM76> Well, let me point out that fixing errors, like Trak and Nacen are doing, are preferable to deletion in my mind. At least immediately. [2009-08-12 17:32:24] <Merc|> why do we need a manual of style? If its a fanon wiki, people should be alowed to design their articles whichever way they want. [2009-08-12 17:32:27] <Michaeldsuarez> Sitenotice change. Thanks C3PO. [2009-08-12 17:32:45] <Nacen> There's only so much we can do without violating the editing policy, though. [2009-08-12 17:32:46] <TrakNar> Well, we need the MoS so that the articles look professional. [2009-08-12 17:32:54] <JM76> Per Trak. [2009-08-12 17:33:11] <JM76> It's not so much a conformist ideology, nor is it there to restrict creativity. [2009-08-12 17:33:15] <TrakNar> Otherwise we'd have articles looking every different way in every type of butchered English imagninable. [2009-08-12 17:33:20] <TrakNar> imaginable* [2009-08-12 17:33:56] <TrakNar> Would you rather read articles written in a clear and concise manner or "rittin leik this"? [2009-08-12 17:34:09] <Merc|> Alright, but if these articles don't look professional then they will never become FAs or GAs, no one offsite will come on site and look at them. [2009-08-12 17:34:24] <Brandon_Rhea> Except they do, and SWF is looked down upon because of them. [2009-08-12 17:34:37] <Brandon_Rhea> FAs and GAs suffer from guilt by association. [2009-08-12 17:34:40] <Merc|> also you can just have the one rule to make grammar and spelling a necessity [2009-08-12 17:34:49] <Brandon_Rhea> That's not how it works. [2009-08-12 17:34:55] <Brandon_Rhea> You need to explain encyclopedic standards. [2009-08-12 17:34:56] <TrakNar> The MoS is that rule and people ignore it anyway. [2009-08-12 17:35:11] <Brandon_Rhea> TrakNar - because there's no enforcement, but enforcement is now beginning so hopefully that will change [2009-08-12 17:35:18] <Merc|> And what happens if you give them a warning? [2009-08-12 17:35:24] <JM76> Do we give warnings? [2009-08-12 17:35:28] <Brandon_Rhea> I do [2009-08-12 17:35:30] <JM76> Or do we just start deleting things? [2009-08-12 17:35:37] <Brandon_Rhea> I delete and then warn [2009-08-12 17:35:41] <Brandon_Rhea> Not "next time your article is deleted" [2009-08-12 17:35:54] <Michaeldsuarez> Should the MoS be mentioned in MediaWiki:Newarticletext? [2009-08-12 17:35:57] <Brandon_Rhea> My approach is delete, then say "don't create articles until you know what you're doing" (in kinder terms) [2009-08-12 17:36:03] <Brandon_Rhea> Michaeldsuarez - good idea. [2009-08-12 17:36:16] <TrakNar> I attempt to fix what I can and leave a notice for the author to fix the rest, like those accursed random caps. [2009-08-12 17:36:27] <JM76> Wouldn't it be preferable and less daunting to new users if you warned first, asked them to look at the MoS, and then deleted stuff? [2009-08-12 17:36:32] <TrakNar> I swear, it's like some authors have never gotten passed second grade. [2009-08-12 17:36:41] <Merc|> Here's the solution: Warn them first. So they won't get as pissed. If they don't follow the MoS. delete the article. If they continue not to. Proceed to delete and ban. [2009-08-12 17:36:42] <Brandon_Rhea> JM76 - your warnings have to be backed up by something. [2009-08-12 17:36:51] <Merc|> Bada bing bada boom [2009-08-12 17:36:54] <Michaeldsuarez> Users usually get welcomed after creating an article. [2009-08-12 17:36:56] <Brandon_Rhea> Merc| - that's what I used to do. Didn't work. My current approach is showing some promise. [2009-08-12 17:37:12] <Merc|> then have admins enforce it [2009-08-12 17:37:24] <JM76> We have two-four active admins. [2009-08-12 17:37:27] <JM76> Depending on the day. [2009-08-12 17:37:28] <Brandon_Rhea> Easier said than done. I'm doing it now, but others have not started yet. [2009-08-12 17:37:40] <Brandon_Rhea> There's 2. It doesn't depend on the day. There's just 2. [2009-08-12 17:37:43] <Brandon_Rhea> Or, well 3 now. [2009-08-12 17:37:48] * Brandon_Rhea nods to Nacen. [2009-08-12 17:37:53] <Merc|> JM:Then you have a big problem [2009-08-12 17:37:54] <Nacen> Indeed. [2009-08-12 17:38:02] <JM76> Merc: Hence, why we are here. [2009-08-12 17:38:34] <TrakNar> I'd join the admin ranks, but I have a very strong bias against certain articles and I would rather not have the power to make them suddenly vanish at the moment. [2009-08-12 17:38:49] <Michaeldsuarez> We're not Wookieepedia; our RecentChanges isn't updated that oftern. We have enough. [2009-08-12 17:38:57] <Brandon_Rhea> Except my deletion policy proposal gives you that power, TrakNar. [2009-08-12 17:39:01] <Brandon_Rhea> Assuming it passes. [2009-08-12 17:39:07] <TrakNar> Here's hoping, then. [2009-08-12 17:39:17] <Michaeldsuarez> It going to. [2009-08-12 17:39:18] <Brandon_Rhea> http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User:Brandon_Rhea/Deletion_policy#Speedy_deletion [2009-08-12 17:39:30] <Merc|> Promote accomplished active users to admins. Remove admin powers from people who haven't edited in months. Then you'll have atleast five admins. [2009-08-12 17:40:05] <Michaeldsuarez> I don't want inactive admins removed like that. [2009-08-12 17:40:14] <Nacen> Agreed. [2009-08-12 17:40:18] <Merc|> alright [2009-08-12 17:40:23] <Merc|> then just do part one [2009-08-12 17:40:25] <Michaeldsuarez> With who? [2009-08-12 17:40:27] <Brandon_Rhea> One, there's no need to remove inactive admins. They're not hurting anyone. [2009-08-12 17:40:34] <Brandon_Rhea> Second, there are no users to promote, save for TrakNar. [2009-08-12 17:40:39] <TrakNar> Heh [2009-08-12 17:40:40] <Brandon_Rhea> Or JM76 :P [2009-08-12 17:40:50] <JM76> Heh. I don't think so. [2009-08-12 17:40:50] <Merc|> JM it is [2009-08-12 17:40:56] <Merc|> ;) [2009-08-12 17:40:58] <Brandon_Rhea> I've got it. [2009-08-12 17:41:00] <Brandon_Rhea> Atarumaster88 [2009-08-12 17:41:01] <Brandon_Rhea> Problem solved. [2009-08-12 17:41:07] <Michaeldsuarez> Ahh [2009-08-12 17:41:11] <JM76> If you want 10,000 articles deleted overnight. [2009-08-12 17:41:17] <TrakNar> When it gets dark and the clouds move on, I'm planning to go catch a glimpse of the meteor shower later... [2009-08-12 17:41:19] <Brandon_Rhea> Funny thing is that I would love that. [2009-08-12 17:41:33] <Brandon_Rhea> Remember, the mass deletion did not reach my original goal. ;) [2009-08-12 17:41:39] <JM76> That is true. [2009-08-12 17:41:56] <Michaeldsuarez> Thousands and thousands (I wish) [2009-08-12 17:42:08] <JM76> But I think we've gotten slightly off-topic, no? [2009-08-12 17:42:16] <JM76> Should we veer back to the original topic? [2009-08-12 17:42:16] <Merc|> prolly [2009-08-12 17:42:17] <Michaeldsuarez> Yes. [2009-08-12 17:42:17] <Brandon_Rhea> Not really. [2009-08-12 17:42:27] <Brandon_Rhea> One thing I think will help a bit is Weeg [2009-08-12 17:42:33] <Michaeldsuarez> Seen it. [2009-08-12 17:42:36] <JM76> Brandon_Rhea: Explain. [2009-08-12 17:42:50] -->| C3POtheDS (n=apple@97-112-73-114.dlth.qwest.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:42:50] -->| nightmare975 (n=4a2596e4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ed5b611523d5f7b4) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:42:53] <Michaeldsuarez> Bot = work done./ [2009-08-12 17:43:00] <Brandon_Rhea> We now have a mechanism for efficiently going through the "Articles that need clean up" category and deleting them. [2009-08-12 17:43:03] <Merc|> true [2009-08-12 17:43:08] <Brandon_Rhea> Save for the problem of orphaned talk pages.... [2009-08-12 17:43:11] |<-- nightmare975 has left freenode (Client Quit) [2009-08-12 17:43:12] <JM76> Heh. [2009-08-12 17:43:19] <JM76> Yeah, I don't know how we're going to deal with those. =\ [2009-08-12 17:43:24] <Michaeldsuarez> Template:Talk has been modified. [2009-08-12 17:43:31] <JM76> How so? [2009-08-12 17:43:32] <Merc|> you can have a bot to do that, too [2009-08-12 17:43:52] -->| nightmare975 (n=chatzill@74-37-150-228.dsl1.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:43:53] <JM76> Merc: Explain. I did not know bots had a function to delete orphaned talk pages. [2009-08-12 17:44:04] <Michaeldsuarez> http://swfanon.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:Talk&action=edit [2009-08-12 17:44:05] <JM76> PM me if you wish, to keep on topic. Or not. [2009-08-12 17:44:19] <Michaeldsuarez> But Nacen deleted the one it marks already. [2009-08-12 17:44:32] <Brandon_Rhea> Ah, nice Michael [2009-08-12 17:44:44] -->| leather (n=61704972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-2f1492d3fea60209) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:44:59] Alright, sorry I'm late. [2009-08-12 17:45:05] <JM76> No problem. Welcome. [2009-08-12 17:45:33] <Michaeldsuarez> Not all pages have Template:Talk, Brandon, so there's a still a problem. [2009-08-12 17:45:47] <Brandon_Rhea> Indeed [2009-08-12 17:46:12] im late [2009-08-12 17:46:23] <Brandon_Rhea> Not quite sure who you are. ;) [2009-08-12 17:47:21] what are we discussing right now? [2009-08-12 17:47:26] <TrakNar> Not sure. [2009-08-12 17:47:31] <Michaeldsuarez> Problem with community. [2009-08-12 17:47:48] I know that, but I was wondering what exact the topic was on [2009-08-12 17:47:55] *exactly [2009-08-12 17:48:17] <Michaeldsuarez> Not sure; we haven't got anywhere. [2009-08-12 17:48:18] <Brandon_Rhea> "The lack of a community and how to fix it, particularly in regards to the community working together to improve the quality of the wiki and increasing the size of the active community so the same people are not performing every task." [2009-08-12 17:48:29] Ah [2009-08-12 17:49:36] <Michaeldsuarez> Signing off in two minutes. [2009-08-12 17:49:47] |<-- C3POtheD has left freenode (No route to host) [2009-08-12 17:49:54] <TrakNar> So, what was the previous topic before it derailed? [2009-08-12 17:50:00] <Brandon_Rhea> It never derailed. [2009-08-12 17:50:18] <TrakNar> Or whatever it did. [2009-08-12 17:50:20] <JM76> We're simply deviating into a subtopic. [2009-08-12 17:50:25] <TrakNar> Ah [2009-08-12 17:50:30] <JM76> Bascially, we're talking about the MoS and the administration. [2009-08-12 17:50:35] <TrakNar> Ah [2009-08-12 17:50:42] <Brandon_Rhea> And enforcement of policies such as the MOS, and what the new deletion policy can do. [2009-08-12 17:50:45] I think people are still in that mindset that they can't edit other people's articles for anything. [2009-08-12 17:50:50] <Brandon_Rhea> *new proposed deletion policy can do [2009-08-12 17:51:11] <JM76> Nightmare: Nacen and Trak are doing what they can to amend that mindset, and I'm sure others are trying to as well. [2009-08-12 17:51:35] |<-- leather has left freenode ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") [2009-08-12 17:51:40] Remember this is about not having the same people do that over and over again [2009-08-12 17:51:45] <JM76> Right. [2009-08-12 17:51:46] <Brandon_Rhea> Well here's another issue, and I'll direct this question to nightmare975 [2009-08-12 17:51:49] <TrakNar> As long as it was minor things I always figured it was perfectly fine to edit anyone's article. [2009-08-12 17:52:06] <Brandon_Rhea> You're clearly aware that you can edit other people's articles so long as it doesn't change the story or anything. [2009-08-12 17:52:13] Why don't I? [2009-08-12 17:52:15] <Brandon_Rhea> Why is it that people like you don't actively try to correct issues? [2009-08-12 17:52:28] A) Haven't had the time [2009-08-12 17:53:04] B) Before we had all those mass deletions, I didn't feel like it. [2009-08-12 17:53:27] <Michaeldsuarez> How can we help that? [2009-08-12 17:54:04] We've tried that improvement drive to no avail [2009-08-12 17:54:13] <JM76> The improvement drive has long since been dead. [2009-08-12 17:54:21] <JM76> No activity since early 2007, if I recall. [2009-08-12 17:54:31] <Brandon_Rhea> We brought it back. People approved it, seemed like they liked it, and then did nothing so it died again. [2009-08-12 17:54:32] <Michaeldsuarez> Same with the image drive. [2009-08-12 17:54:33] -->| C3POtheD (n=apple@97-112-94-164.dlth.qwest.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:54:41] <C3POtheD> Fail Internet [2009-08-12 17:54:44] <Brandon_Rhea> Well the image drive is useless period. [2009-08-12 17:54:52] I guess people just want to focus on their stuff and that's it. [2009-08-12 17:54:57] <Michaeldsuarez> Signing out. [2009-08-12 17:55:01] <--| Michaeldsuarez has left #swfanon [2009-08-12 17:55:05] <JM76> We need to get them out of their selfish mindset. [2009-08-12 17:55:19] <JM76> We're just at an impasse at figuring out how. [2009-08-12 17:55:26] <Brandon_Rhea> First I would hesitate in calling it selfish, if only because there's nothing saying they have to do anything beyond their own work. [2009-08-12 17:55:41] <Brandon_Rhea> And that leads to the second point, which is how do we get them to do more? [2009-08-12 17:55:43] <C3POtheD> JM76: Think about what motivates someone to put up something on Star Wars Fanon [2009-08-12 17:55:48] <TrakNar> Invasion always brings out the community in the most fiercest of opponents. At least it does in the movies. [2009-08-12 17:56:12] And really, there is no reason to touch other people's articles. [2009-08-12 17:56:25] <Brandon_Rhea> Except to, like, clean them up... [2009-08-12 17:56:29] This place is like a repository for people's work. [2009-08-12 17:56:42] <TrakNar> Make sure the spelling is correct and the grammar is relatively coherent... [2009-08-12 17:56:50] And most of the people who dump their crap here never come back. [2009-08-12 17:57:17] <Brandon_Rhea> Ok, you're missing the point [2009-08-12 17:57:22] <Brandon_Rhea> There are people here that stay here [2009-08-12 17:57:26] <Brandon_Rhea> How do we get THEM active? [2009-08-12 17:57:31] <Brandon_Rhea> Forget about the people who dump and run. [2009-08-12 17:57:55] <TrakNar> More contests? [2009-08-12 17:58:00] <TrakNar> Dunno. [2009-08-12 17:58:12] <Brandon_Rhea> We could try stuff like Miss Star Wars Fanon [2009-08-12 17:58:27] <Brandon_Rhea> I know that was done in like 2006 or something [2009-08-12 17:58:31] :/ [2009-08-12 17:58:40] <Brandon_Rhea> And Wookieepedia does it. [2009-08-12 17:58:52] <Merc|> So does the darth [2009-08-12 17:59:02] <TrakNar> Hey, it seems to work for them. [2009-08-12 17:59:16] <Merc|> Yep [2009-08-12 17:59:30] <TrakNar> I'd suggest an art contest as well or something. But when it comes to contests, my ideas are kinda... meh. [2009-08-12 17:59:39] Art [2009-08-12 17:59:45] I like that idea Trak [2009-08-12 17:59:49] <Merc|> TrakNar: no thats good [2009-08-12 17:59:55] <Brandon_Rhea> It's limiting, but good. [2009-08-12 17:59:58] We need more original artwork [2009-08-12 18:00:14] if we're to do Miss/Mister Star Wars Fanon [2009-08-12 18:00:24] <Merc|> attracting artists will attract more users [2009-08-12 18:00:25] <TrakNar> Not quite sure what the prize (if there is one beyond bragging rights) would be... [2009-08-12 18:00:33] <Merc|> sysops! [2009-08-12 18:00:35] <Merc|> ;) [2009-08-12 18:00:35] Because I'm not going to vote for 6 different Galen Mareks [2009-08-12 18:00:46] * TrakNar looks over the member list real quick. [2009-08-12 18:01:01] <Brandon_Rhea> Well the Mister/Miss SWF thing is not about the image so much as the character, imo. [2009-08-12 18:01:08] -->| C3POtheDSII (n=apple@97-112-91-88.dlth.qwest.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 18:01:11] <Brandon_Rhea> Obviously you have to go on the image as well, but still. [2009-08-12 18:01:16] <C3POtheDSII> This is getting ridiculous [2009-08-12 18:01:18] <Merc|> but really...ummm...a prize and...your name on the main page....and.... [2009-08-12 18:01:24] True Brandon [2009-08-12 18:01:25] <Merc|> sysops for five minutes [2009-08-12 18:01:33] <C3POtheDSII> Can someone ghost C3POtheD and C3POtheDS? [2009-08-12 18:01:35] <Merc|> do whatever the hell you want for five minutes [2009-08-12 18:01:38] <TrakNar> When hitting Random Page, the artwork I see mostly that isn't yanked from the Wook/Internet/Photoshopped is usually Gann's stuff. [2009-08-12 18:01:40] No [2009-08-12 18:01:47] <Merc|> gtg [2009-08-12 18:01:51] |<-- Merc| has left freenode ("CGI:IRC") [2009-08-12 18:02:04] <Brandon_Rhea> 3PO, you need to ghost them [2009-08-12 18:02:13] <C3POtheDSII> Okay, kick them [2009-08-12 18:02:16] <Brandon_Rhea> Ok [2009-08-12 18:02:19] I've been trying to make my artwork look better [2009-08-12 18:02:20] =-= C3POtheD was booted from #swfanon by Brandon_Rhea (Brandon_Rhea) [2009-08-12 18:02:24] =-= C3POtheDS was booted from #swfanon by Brandon_Rhea (Brandon_Rhea) [2009-08-12 18:03:02] I think we should reopen the improvement drive at least [2009-08-12 18:03:07] <TrakNar> Yeah [2009-08-12 18:03:20] <Brandon_Rhea> It won't do anything [2009-08-12 18:03:23] <C3POtheDSII> Has anyone yet answered the question I posed to JM76? [2009-08-12 18:03:26] <TrakNar> Hm... what exactly did the image improvement drive entail? [2009-08-12 18:03:29] <Brandon_Rhea> And besides we have the writing center, rendering the ID useless. [2009-08-12 18:03:49] And maybe a featured art of the week/month [2009-08-12 18:04:10] True Brandon [2009-08-12 18:04:12] <Brandon_Rhea> TrakNar - the picture drive was to add images into an article, not improve images. Hence why it was useless. [2009-08-12 18:04:21] <TrakNar> Ah. [2009-08-12 18:04:35] What was the question [2009-08-12 18:04:36] <TrakNar> I at first thought it was a drive to improve the images themselves. [2009-08-12 18:04:43] <JM76> 3PO: Just so you know, no. Nobody answered the question. [2009-08-12 18:05:04] <C3POtheDSII> OK [2009-08-12 18:05:12] <C3POtheDSII> Can anyone answer it? [2009-08-12 18:05:17] |<-- Jedimca0 has left freenode ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]") [2009-08-12 18:05:19] <Brandon_Rhea> Let's stick to what we're talking about now. [2009-08-12 18:05:28] <C3POtheDSII> What are you talking about? [2009-08-12 18:05:29] <Brandon_Rhea> So our current ideas for contests are an art contest and a Mister/Miss SWF. Any other contest ideas? [2009-08-12 18:05:45] I say a featured Art of the week/month [2009-08-12 18:05:59] <JM76> I believe Bac mentioned some sort of art contest. [2009-08-12 18:06:15] <Brandon_Rhea> Only problem there is that we have a hard enough time with featured works, and we also have no room on the main page for a featured art so how do we deal with putting it somewhere? [2009-08-12 18:06:18] <C3POtheDSII> Could that include video games? [2009-08-12 18:06:28] Games are art... [2009-08-12 18:06:29] <Brandon_Rhea> Also, SWF really isn't an art wiki. [2009-08-12 18:06:32] ...sorta [2009-08-12 18:06:42] <Brandon_Rhea> And featured video games? We have 2. It'd be over in 2 months. [2009-08-12 18:06:52] <JM76> Well, we have more than 2. [2009-08-12 18:06:57] <JM76> But the rest are fake. =p [2009-08-12 18:06:58] <C3POtheDSII> We could include awesome pictures and music and video games and stuff for Featured Works, instead of just having novels and short stories [2009-08-12 18:06:59] <Brandon_Rhea> Not stuff that's made legitimately. [2009-08-12 18:07:08] But it is a repository for people's fanworks. [2009-08-12 18:07:29] <TrakNar> And fanworks do sometimes include art, in varying stages of quality. [2009-08-12 18:07:42] <Brandon_Rhea> Our name is Fanon. [2009-08-12 18:07:50] <Brandon_Rhea> Not Fan Works [2009-08-12 18:08:23] Then why are were showcasing Fan Fiction? [2009-08-12 18:08:31] <Brandon_Rhea> Uhhhh [2009-08-12 18:08:31] Isn't that just like Art? [2009-08-12 18:08:37] <Brandon_Rhea> Fanon = fan fiction [2009-08-12 18:08:48] <Brandon_Rhea> That's what it's (incorrectly) abbreviated as [2009-08-12 18:08:51] <Brandon_Rhea> Always has been here. [2009-08-12 18:08:53] I assumed it meant Fan Canon [2009-08-12 18:08:53] <TrakNar> Fanon, technically, is a portmanteau of fan-canon. [2009-08-12 18:09:09] <Brandon_Rhea> It does, but it's not the way SWF or a lot of wikis use it [2009-08-12 18:09:13] <TrakNar> Ah [2009-08-12 18:09:16] Okay [2009-08-12 18:09:21] You got me there. [2009-08-12 18:10:01] <Brandon_Rhea> Alright, we've been talking about this particular topic for an hour. [2009-08-12 18:10:07] <Brandon_Rhea> I say we move onto the next bullet point of my agenda. [2009-08-12 18:10:08] <TrakNar> Well, it should include some art. I mean, some fanon creators may not be able to write to save their lives, but instead express their ideas in other fashions, like with comics or something. [2009-08-12 18:10:10] <TrakNar> Okay [2009-08-12 18:10:13] <Brandon_Rhea> Any objections? [2009-08-12 18:10:20] Hold on [2009-08-12 18:10:23] <TrakNar> Include more art. D: [2009-08-12 18:10:50] Never mind [2009-08-12 18:11:05] <Brandon_Rhea> Good to move on? [2009-08-12 18:11:08] Yes [2009-08-12 18:11:09] <TrakNar> Yeah [2009-08-12 18:11:11] <JM76> Go ahead. [2009-08-12 18:11:19] <Brandon_Rhea> Alright, this one is important, so let's not let it devolve. [2009-08-12 18:11:21] <Brandon_Rhea> "The lack of good and featured articles and how we can encourage more people to write and nominate their articles or other people’s articles." [2009-08-12 18:11:42] Simple, you've stopped writing articles Brandon. :P [2009-08-12 18:11:43] <TrakNar> Hm... that's a toughie... [2009-08-12 18:11:47] <JM76> Perhaps people should not just nominate their own articles? [2009-08-12 18:11:59] It's tough to nominate other people's articles. [2009-08-12 18:12:00] <Brandon_Rhea> Agreed, but we need to get them to nominate other people's articles. [2009-08-12 18:12:12] <Brandon_Rhea> (that was @JM) [2009-08-12 18:12:16] <JM76> Yeah. [2009-08-12 18:12:27] <JM76> Well, I believe it's in the rules that we can. [2009-08-12 18:12:31] <JM76> And people follow by example. [2009-08-12 18:12:48] <JM76> So a few more prominent users should begin nominating others' better work and see how it goes from there. [2009-08-12 18:12:52] <TrakNar> Go on a nomination spree and see what happens? [2009-08-12 18:13:15] <JM76> I think, honestly, that's about all we can do in regards to nominating someone else's work. [2009-08-12 18:13:35] Agreed [2009-08-12 18:13:48] <JM76> But even the smallest changes can help, so... [2009-08-12 18:14:03] <TrakNar> Yeah. [2009-08-12 18:14:04] <Brandon_Rhea> I have a solution. [2009-08-12 18:14:14] Write better articles? [2009-08-12 18:14:17] <TrakNar> Heh [2009-08-12 18:14:18] <Brandon_Rhea> Brandon Rhea needs to finish The Chosen One so he has more featured articles to nominate. [2009-08-12 18:14:22] <Brandon_Rhea> Seriously, is that guy slow or what? [2009-08-12 18:14:30] And that Bender dude [2009-08-12 18:14:44] Hasn't he said he'd release his next chapter already? [2009-08-12 18:14:55] <TrakNar> I should nominate Pepan Manja, as I wrote it from the get-go with intent to have it be a GAN. [2009-08-12 18:15:01] -->| C3POtheDS (n=apple@97-112-77-229.dlth.qwest.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 18:15:09] <C3POtheDS> arghety argh argh [2009-08-12 18:15:15] <C3POtheDS> What are we on now? [2009-08-12 18:15:26] Featured Articles [2009-08-12 18:15:28] <TrakNar> Shortage of FANs and GANs. [2009-08-12 18:15:45] =-= C3POtheDSII was booted from #swfanon by C3POtheDS (C3POtheDS) [2009-08-12 18:15:45] <Brandon_Rhea> You know Trak, if you expand that intro by 43 words and add a talents section, you'd have an FAN [2009-08-12 18:16:01] <TrakNar> Hm... Looks like a project tonight then... [2009-08-12 18:16:04] <JM76> Are we still restricted by the 250 word intro? [2009-08-12 18:16:08] <Brandon_Rhea> 200 [2009-08-12 18:16:10] <JM76> Ah. [2009-08-12 18:16:12] <JM76> Okay. [2009-08-12 18:16:17] <Brandon_Rhea> It's really not restrictive. [2009-08-12 18:16:25] <Brandon_Rhea> 200 is easy. [2009-08-12 18:16:28] Is there still an intro requirement on GAs [2009-08-12 18:16:29] <JM76> Not really. I was just curious. Considering it poor wording on my part. [2009-08-12 18:16:34] <Brandon_Rhea> 100, even easier. [2009-08-12 18:16:40] K' [2009-08-12 18:17:07] I might try for GA status on one of my articles. [2009-08-12 18:17:14] <Brandon_Rhea> Good idea. [2009-08-12 18:17:44] <Brandon_Rhea> You know JM, some of those recent GAs of yours really are FA material. [2009-08-12 18:17:44] <TrakNar> I need to tackle some cleanups for a few other articles before they can be GANs/FANs. Pepan is almost ready to go at the moment. [2009-08-12 18:18:09] <Brandon_Rhea> If you don't mind, I'd like to nominate them, see if that gets the ball rolling. [2009-08-12 18:18:11] Brandon, why don't you nominate them? [2009-08-12 18:18:14] <Brandon_Rhea> ^ [2009-08-12 18:18:15] <JM76> Bac: Go ahead. [2009-08-12 18:18:23] Oh look, I was beaten. [2009-08-12 18:18:39] <Brandon_Rhea> Awesome. I'll do that after the meeting. [2009-08-12 18:20:21] <JM76> Well, besides nominating others' articles, and letting Bac finish TCO, are there any other ideas in terms of GA/FA nominating? [2009-08-12 18:20:22] <Brandon_Rhea> Ah [2009-08-12 18:20:59] JM, none that I can think of, but Brandon most likely has an idea [2009-08-12 18:21:16] <Brandon_Rhea> If I had an idea it wouldn't of been in the agenda for the conversation. [2009-08-12 18:21:16] <JM76> Eh. We can't always count on Brandon to pull us out of messes. [2009-08-12 18:21:23] <JM76> Despite how dependable he is. [2009-08-12 18:21:25] Oh. [2009-08-12 18:22:33] * Brandon_Rhea will return in just a moment. [2009-08-12 18:22:38] We need to make the FA and GA nominations look more user friendly I think. [2009-08-12 18:22:45] The page I mean. [2009-08-12 18:22:52] And drat, I need to go. [2009-08-12 18:23:08] Sorry guys, I'll get back on shortly. [2009-08-12 18:23:14] <JM76> That might be an idea. [2009-08-12 18:23:23] <TrakNar> That may help, actually. Having an easy-to-understand nomination page and requirements. [2009-08-12 18:23:51] <JM76> It's a bit on the hefty size. Perhaps different colored buttons and the like to encourage users to look around? [2009-08-12 18:24:18] <TrakNar> Brb [2009-08-12 18:24:21] <Brandon_Rhea> There's nothing wrong with the layout of the page. [2009-08-12 18:24:24] <Brandon_Rhea> The requirements, I agree, suck. [2009-08-12 18:24:40] <Brandon_Rhea> I'm reworking those as we speak. [2009-08-12 18:24:41] <JM76> Well, there's nothing wrong with it. But it could be more user-friendly. [2009-08-12 18:24:45] -->| Jedi_Master_Aust (n=185a5f84@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-73b4a7147990c3d9) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 18:24:56] <Brandon_Rhea> User friendly how, JM? [2009-08-12 18:25:07] <Brandon_Rhea> It's so beyond straight forward, and we can't go OMG HAI WELCOME [2009-08-12 18:25:07] <JM76> Hold on, lemme look at the page itself. [2009-08-12 18:25:36] <JM76> Well, first of all, do we need all five of those tabs? [2009-08-12 18:25:41] <JM76> Could we possible merge some of them? [2009-08-12 18:25:51] <JM76> *possibly [2009-08-12 18:25:54] <Brandon_Rhea> We're griping over tabs? [2009-08-12 18:25:59] <Brandon_Rhea> I think that's grasping for straws. [2009-08-12 18:26:06] <TrakNar> Back [2009-08-12 18:26:41] |<-- Jedi_Master_Aust has left freenode (Client Quit) [2009-08-12 18:26:42] <JM76> I'm not griping over them, and I certainly don't really have a problem with them. But anything to aid new users would help. [2009-08-12 18:27:08] <Brandon_Rhea> I don't see how proper organization hinders new users [2009-08-12 18:27:13] * TrakNar munches on crackers. [2009-08-12 18:27:15] <Brandon_Rhea> They're barely even noticeable [2009-08-12 18:27:20] <TrakNar> Damn dinner didn't agree with me. [2009-08-12 18:27:44] <JM76> All right, well, ignore the tabs and return to the rules. [2009-08-12 18:27:50] -->| C3POtheDII (n=apple@97-112-67-111.dlth.qwest.net) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 18:27:51] <JM76> How do you plan on fixing the GA/FA rules? [2009-08-12 18:27:53] <Brandon_Rhea> ....thank you for that, Trak. [2009-08-12 18:28:00] <TrakNar> You're welcome. [2009-08-12 18:28:02] <Brandon_Rhea> Well, JM, for starters I'm bringing it back to the basics. [2009-08-12 18:28:17] <Brandon_Rhea> No more "YOU MUST HAVE ECONOMIC INFORMATION TO BE A GOVERNMENT FA" and stuff like that. [2009-08-12 18:29:21] <JM76> So all GA/FAs will have a basic outline to follow, with a few exceptions for battle and character articles? [2009-08-12 18:29:40] <Brandon_Rhea> It's Seer discretion on how it's enforced. Seers know what needs to be there and what doesn't. [2009-08-12 18:30:11] <JM76> Right. [2009-08-12 18:30:49] <Brandon_Rhea> One of the main reasons it needs to be brought back down is sourced articles. [2009-08-12 18:30:55] <Brandon_Rhea> Any FA or GA I nominate is a sourced article now. [2009-08-12 18:31:10] <JM76> The problem is, you're one of the few who uses sources. [2009-08-12 18:31:13] <Brandon_Rhea> If I want to nominate a government article, I may not have economic information that can be provided. [2009-08-12 18:32:07] <TrakNar> If I wanna nominate Pepan, there is nothing in it that's sourced. It's all stuff I made up one day outta boredom, so the requirements that they be sourced may be a bit tricky. [2009-08-12 18:32:15] <Brandon_Rhea> No, no [2009-08-12 18:32:24] <JM76> It's not requiring sources. [2009-08-12 18:32:25] <Brandon_Rhea> You're misunderstanding me [2009-08-12 18:32:31] <JM76> It's simply modifying the rules for those who use sources. [2009-08-12 18:32:35] <Brandon_Rhea> I'm saying that articles that ARE sourced sometimes violate the current policies. [2009-08-12 18:32:40] <JM76> ^^ [2009-08-12 18:33:15] <TrakNar> Ah [2009-08-12 18:35:05] -->| Jimmy_Pages_Appr (n=185a5f84@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ad6afcc2a58d23fd) has joined #swfanon [2009-08-12 18:35:17] <Brandon_Rhea> Well in this topic we've said to just start nominating other people's articles, and to revise the requirements for FAs. [2009-08-12 18:35:23] <Brandon_Rhea> Any other suggestions or shall we move on? [2009-08-12 18:35:44] <TrakNar> None that I can think of. [2009-08-12 18:36:07] <Brandon_Rhea> JM76? Nacen? [2009-08-12 18:36:19] <JM76> Sure. [2009-08-12 18:36:22] <Nacen> Okay. [2009-08-12 18:36:23] <JM76> Go ahead and move on. [2009-08-12 18:36:45] <Brandon_Rhea> Alright, well this next topic has sorta been covered already, but it's on the agenda so I'll bring it up. [2009-08-12 18:37:29] <Brandon_Rhea> It's the indifference towards the low quality of this wiki, and what appears to be an ultra-inclusionist mindset that often prevails ("it's a repository" or "FANON MEENS I CAN DU WAT I WANT") despite the horrid quality of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of articles. [2009-08-12 18:38:09] <Jimmy_Pages_Appr> Perfectly put! [2009-08-12 18:38:10] <TrakNar> Just because it's fanon doesn't mean it should be shit. [2009-08-12 18:38:13] <Brandon_Rhea> I think one thing we should do is stop referring to it as a repository. [2009-08-12 18:38:22] <Brandon_Rhea> It gives off a bad impression. [2009-08-12 18:38:35] <JM76> What should it be referred to as, then? [2009-08-12 18:39:00] <TrakNar> Something that would mean the end of Darth Sylar, Darth Kraft, and the Order of the Lantern, hopefully... [2009-08-12 18:39:05] <Brandon_Rhea> An encyclopedia [2009-08-12 18:39:16] <Brandon_Rhea> It's also not an encyclopedia, but it also implies standards. [2009-08-12 18:39:22] <Jimmy_Pages_Appr> Per TrakNar...fanon simply doesn't equal low quality articles. This is not Darthipedia! [2009-08-12 18:39:40] <Brandon_Rhea> Um, I'm not sure who you are, but we're not here to criticize other wikis. [2009-08-12 18:39:45] <TrakNar> Pikachu can join their ranks in the trash heap. [2009-08-12 18:40:13] <Brandon_Rhea> It already did [2009-08-12 18:40:19] <Brandon_Rhea> I just blasted the orphaned talk page lol [2009-08-12 18:40:24] <TrakNar> Yay! [2009-08-12 18:40:27] <Nacen> I was about to do that. [2009-08-12 18:40:41] <Jimmy_Pages_Appr> No offense to the wiki but Joke Articles annoy me... [2009-08-12 18:40:44] <TrakNar> And the peasants rejoice! [2009-08-12 18:41:13] <Brandon_Rhea> We're here to discuss SWF, not Darthipedia. Thank you. [2009-08-12 18:41:24] =-= Jimmy_Pages_Appr is now known as Jedi_Master_Aust [2009-08-12 18:41:52] <Brandon_Rhea> Ah, hello Aust. [2009-08-12 18:42:24] <Jedi_Master_Aust> 'lo Brandon [2009-08-12 18:42:44] <Brandon_Rhea> Anyway, the topic. [2009-08-12 18:43:07] <Brandon_Rhea> Referring to it as an encyclopedia is far better than referring to it as a repository. [2009-08-12 18:43:15] <Brandon_Rhea> "An encyclopedia of fan invention" or something like that. [2009-08-12 18:43:18] <TrakNar> Yeah [2009-08-12 18:43:24] <Jedi_Master_Aust> agreed [2009-08-12 18:43:33] <Brandon_Rhea> You can say wiki implies encyclopedia, but let's be real [2009-08-12 18:43:38] <Brandon_Rhea> We're pretty much dealing with younger members

[2009-08-12 18:43:45] <Brandon_Rhea> You need to spell it out for them. [2009-08-12 18:43:46] <TrakNar> Hopefully with that description people will be more inclined to follow the frikkin' MoS. [2009-08-12 18:43:53] <TrakNar> But I doubt it. [2009-08-12 18:44:03] <Brandon_Rhea> At least we can use it as an enforcement tactic. [2009-08-12 18:45:55] <Brandon_Rhea> http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext [2009-08-12 18:45:58] <Brandon_Rhea> I just added the MOS to that [2009-08-12 18:46:04] <TrakNar> Go for it. [2009-08-12 18:46:07] <TrakNar> Oh [2009-08-12 18:46:14] <TrakNar> I read that as "I'll just add" [2009-08-12 18:46:30] <Brandon_Rhea> Lol [2009-08-12 18:47:48] |<-- C3POtheDS has left freenode (No route to host) [2009-08-12 18:47:48] <Brandon_Rhea> http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning [2009-08-12 18:47:50] <Brandon_Rhea> Here too [2009-08-12 18:47:51] <TrakNar> Hm... does the MoS have anything pertaining to writing articles with overly-sexual content? [2009-08-12 18:48:06] <Brandon_Rhea> That's the content policy [2009-08-12 18:48:09] <TrakNar> Ah [2009-08-12 18:49:15] <Brandon_Rhea> So it's now at the top and bottom of the new article page [2009-08-12 18:49:19] <Brandon_Rhea> It's also on welcome templates [2009-08-12 18:49:28] <Brandon_Rhea> At this point, there's really no legitimate excuse for not reading it [2009-08-12 18:49:40] <Brandon_Rhea> Which means I have even more justification to blast an article BEFORE a warning. :P [2009-08-12 18:49:56] <Jedi_Master_Aust> lol...more power to you! [2009-08-12 18:50:06] back [2009-08-12 18:50:10] <TrakNar> Perhaps a link to that should be added to the MoS, seeing as how people have ignored it before and we ended up with some major fan wank from Col. Wanker or whatever his name was. [2009-08-12 18:50:29] <Brandon_Rhea> Alright, I'll add that to my MOS revision. [2009-08-12 18:50:34] <Brandon_Rhea> (that should be proposed soon) [2009-08-12 18:50:45] <TrakNar> Cool. [2009-08-12 18:50:58] <Brandon_Rhea> See, policy rewrites are something I have no issue doing myself. [2009-08-12 18:51:02] <Brandon_Rhea> In fact, I prefer it that way, lol. [2009-08-12 18:51:06] <TrakNar> Heh [2009-08-12 18:51:25] What's the topic on now? [2009-08-12 18:51:45] <Brandon_Rhea> <Brandon_Rhea>	It's the indifference towards the low quality of this wiki, and what appears to be an ultra-inclusionist mindset that often prevails ("it's a repository" or "FANON MEENS I CAN DU WAT I WANT") despite the horrid quality of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of articles. [2009-08-12 18:51:56] Ah [2009-08-12 18:52:01] <Brandon_Rhea> What we've basically talked about is referring to the wiki as an 'encyclopedia' as opposed to a 'repository' [2009-08-12 18:52:10] lol [2009-08-12 18:52:27] <Brandon_Rhea> I've also added a link to the MOS at the following locations - http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext and http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning [2009-08-12 18:52:56] <Brandon_Rhea> Aka, the top and bottom of the page where you post a new article [2009-08-12 18:53:10] <TrakNar> My cats are fighting. [2009-08-12 18:54:47] <Brandon_Rhea> So... [2009-08-12 18:54:55] New topic? [2009-08-12 18:54:59] <Brandon_Rhea> JM76, Nacen, C3POtheDII, nightmare975 [2009-08-12 18:55:04] <Brandon_Rhea> Anything to add to this? It's an important one [2009-08-12 18:55:16] You've covered it [2009-08-12 18:55:21] <Nacen> Nothing. [2009-08-12 18:55:22] <JM76> Per the above. [2009-08-12 18:55:31] <Brandon_Rhea> Joy. [2009-08-12 18:55:52] <Brandon_Rhea> There's only one more topic on the agenda, but it's not something we're going to be able to do. [2009-08-12 18:55:58] <JM76> How so? [2009-08-12 18:55:59] <Brandon_Rhea> We didn't have enough people and enough ideas [2009-08-12 18:56:06] <Brandon_Rhea> "The need for some sort of strategic plan. Most corporations, organizations, and other groups that even remotely attempt to take themselves seriously have some form of a strategic plan to either build or rebuild. A strategic plan for SWF would encompass both, because there are aspects of this wiki that need to both be built and rebuilt." [2009-08-12 18:56:16] <Brandon_Rhea> I don't feel comfortable doing something like that with 4 people. [2009-08-12 18:56:21] <TrakNar> Ah [2009-08-12 18:56:22] <JM76> Indeed. [2009-08-12 18:56:29] Ah [2009-08-12 18:56:37] <TrakNar> Hm... more people should do fan audio... [2009-08-12 18:56:54] <Brandon_Rhea> Heh [2009-08-12 18:56:55] <JM76> So would that conclude the meeting, then? [2009-08-12 18:57:14] <Brandon_Rhea> Are there any other topics people want discussed? [2009-08-12 18:57:22] |<-- C3POtheDII has left freenode (Connection timed out) [2009-08-12 18:57:29] <TrakNar> Not that I can think of. [2009-08-12 18:57:47] Mmm nope. [2009-08-12 18:57:48] <TrakNar> Unless it would be art-related or something, but I can't think of anything at the moment. [2009-08-12 18:57:57] Same [2009-08-12 18:58:04] <Brandon_Rhea> Alright [2009-08-12 18:58:07] <Brandon_Rhea> Nacen, you have anything? [2009-08-12 18:58:14] <Nacen> Nope, sorry. [2009-08-12 18:58:45] <Brandon_Rhea> Alright. [2009-08-12 18:58:51] <Brandon_Rhea> I would say that concludes the meeting, then.