Talk:Kal'Shabbol/Archive1

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Shiny. What plans do you have for this place?- Solus (Bird of Prey)  20:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to eventually write the sections that are listed on the table of contents. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  00:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, Okay. I look forward to it. I like detailed planets. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  03:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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Okay, first, I'm going to present you with questions to make you think. If you don't feel like answering them, I'll create an answer and run it by you, keep that in mind. These are just questions from what you have so far about Kal'Shabbol. Feel free to comment between each paragraph and stuff, that keeps it more organized.


 * Righto. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is Kal'Shabbol purple?


 * I've figured it as the reflection of the son off of the light of the the Ashlan Nebula causes the planet to appear purple. During sunset and dawn, if you were on the planet it would look purple. During the day, I just see it as being like Earth: blue and green. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's good, I like that. Purple morning. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Kal’Shabbol is dangerously close to Had Abaddon. What gravitational consequences result from this? How do they stay so close? Does this affect Phoebe or Diana or any of Had Abaddon’s moons? Does it cause any anomalies in the sky? Are they regular occurrences?


 * Like much of my saga, Kal'Shabbol and Had Abaddon being close together is a metaphor for twins rather than an actual astronomical event. I guess we could come up with stuff about this, though. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be interesting to note it. There aren't many cases where two planetary bodies are close to each other, but Io, a moon of Jupiter, is an example. Because of the gravitational pull of Jupiter, it's basically a bunch of volcanoes, kind of like Mustafar. You could make one of Had Abaddon's moons do that. You don't have to, instead you could make it so that, as they orbit Kal Prime, they rotate around each other. Y'know, while they're spinning around, the moons are swirling around them, and their circling each other, as their go on their orbit? - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Kal’Shabbol is pretty near some kind of nebulae or cloud. Does this affect the planet? Does it dim or cool the light from Kal Prime? What causes it? Does it have a name? Does it cause any special anomalies? Is it only on a part of Kal’Shabbol’s orbit, or all year around?


 * The name is the Ashlan Nebula. It's always there, since it encompasses the Ashlan Expanse, but it doesn't really affect the planet other than what I said about about sunset and dawn. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, it has a name. I'm happy. :D - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Kal’Shabbol has rings. How did they get there? There are three ways it could have gotten there: Something big blew up there, some lots of space debris got caught in Kal’Shabbol’s gravity, or from a moon (or other object) that got pulled apart by the gravity. Which of these, and how? When? How much do these rings affect Kal’Shabbol’s tides? How many rings does Kal’Shabbol have? Are Phoebe and/or Diana shepherd moons of the rings, i.e., do they rotate within or on the edge of the rings? Do particles from the rings ever fall to the planet’s surface and get burnt up, like a meteor shower?


 * I guess it could be space debris. The moons would be outside the rings. Having meteor showers would be cool and symbolic. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What I was thinking was that when the Skywalker led the Opuchi out of Had Abaddon, to make it more Exodus, the Had Abaddonianianians (or whatever they're called) would give chase. In some way or other, a moon crashed into them, some miraculous event or something, Yahweh destroyed the force they sent, and that's the debris that makes the rings. Simple and symbolic. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

What are some prominent Kal’Shabbolian (or whatever the term is) constellations? If there are, describe them to me and I may be able to make an image of them. Do the constellations hold special meaning to the inhabitants (not in a zodiac way)? Do any of them serve a practical purpose (like the North star shows where north is, that kind of thing)?


 * I'll get back to you. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Goodie goodie goodie. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Why does Kal’Shebbol have such a similar name?


 * IC, because Kal'Shebbol was named in honor of Kal'Shabbol before the schism that broke the Jedi Bendu into the Jedi and the Bendu. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

In the intro, it says Because it was the first planet to bear life, the Force of Others was stronger there than on most other worlds, though it was not the strongest source of the Force of Others that was known of. Does the vibrancy of the Force of Others affect the planet in any way? Is there any place where it is particularly strong? The sentence also says that it wasn’t the strongest source of the Force of Others. What other, stronger places are there, and why?


 * It doesn't really affect the planet itself, but it makes the people more attuned to it. It would be the strongest on the Holy Ridge, the resting place of Excelsior and the place where Ussej Padric Bac was killed. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is the Holy Ridge, what's it like? I notice you don't have a pic of the Excelsior, for shame. I have several sword pics (I have more knife pics, but that's irrelevant) if you want to see them. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The description of the planet says that there are only wild grasslands, a vast ocean, and enormous mountain ranges scattered about the planet. Why? Why are there no rainforests, deserts, arctic tundras? Is there some atmospheric anomaly that allows this?


 * Well, I don't think it said only, but yeah there'd be rainforests and tundras. Not deserts, though. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Deserts are mostly caused by rain shadows, where rain is drained out of the clouds by nearby mountains, put simply. Kal'Shabbol has several mountain ranges, I believe (where are they? How long are they? How many are they? What are their names?). The side of the mountain that the wind often blows toward would have to be near an ocean or some other large body of water to keep from becoming hyperarid. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, it says that there is ‘a vast ocean’ on Kal’Shabbol. That implies just one, though you say there are several continents. My convention, there would be on ocean, technically, but there would be considered several oceans, just like we have on ‘ocean,’ per se., but seven oceans (Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic, Indian, etc.). It adds reality if you name them, and tell why they were named so. As well, it says that the name of this one ocean is the ‘Ashlan Sea.’ Now, ‘sea’ is a smaller designation than ‘ocean.’ You could say that it was called the Ashlan Ocean, and that it was divided into several seas for navigational purposes, but Ashlan Sea implies something smaller.


 * The only reason I called it a sea instead of an ocean is because "Ashlan Sea" sounded better, but I do see what you mean. I'll get back to you. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, Ashaln Sea does sound better, but its not geographically sound. There could be an Ashlan Sea, as part of the navigational divisions, of course. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It says that Kal’Shabbol has several continents. How many? Name them. Tell why they are named so. Are there inhabitants that have set up colonies or little nations within it, at one point or other? What are some of the prominent features of each continent? What about their prominent cities/locations? Are there any Bogan nexuses? Describe the Valley of the Shadow of Death more. Definitely describe Ashla Prime better, maybe go into detail about the Temple of Light.


 * Okay, I'll get back to you on those questions as well. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I look forward to it. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

You spend three-quarters of a paragraph going on about Kal’Shabbol’s grass, but none on its fauna. If you need inspiration for Earth-like fauna, I have a few images. In fact, a whole section on Flora and Fauna would be very very nice. What kinds of flowers grow there? What about fruit, if there are few trees, where do they get their fruit? What is the fruit like? Do the flowers have any interesting qualities? Are there any carnivorous or otherwise unique plants? As well, what animals of Kal’Shabbol were good for hunting? What could you make from them? What kind of things could they be cooked into? What animals were good for riding? Any symbolic animals? Any rare animals that are specially imbued with the Force of Others?


 * I'll definitely need your help with that. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You asked for it. Remember, I can modify these images if you want something changed.

- Solus (Bird of Prey)  17:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I really like those. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I do, too. That's why I chose it. :D - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

'''NOTE: I'll get back to you on the image ones later today. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)'''

Pics
'''NOTE: I’ve rearranged this section to make it a bit more readable. Basically, the number under the picture corresponds to the number in the list of your comments below. I will respond to said comments shortly.'''


 * 1. This could be some part of the Valley of the Shadow of Death, as it looks rather death-y. It looks like it has shrines and stuff, and looks ancient, so it could fit. Now, what is that big skeleton of? One of the Valley people's steeds? A creature that big would be serious intimidation in a battle, think oliphaunt (Oliphaunt). Also notice how the sides of he cliffs are formed of snake's heads. That could be an interesting thing. That means that there were snakes or things with snake's heads in the region near the Valley. They obviously respected the snake. Symbolic?


 * My thoughts exactly. The snake is generally a predator, and it was the Valley People that went and preyed on the Jedi Bendu in an attempt to steal their supposed treasure. Your war beast thing is a good idea too. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But which pic of animals ^^ should be the war beast? - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 2. Ooh, this could be interesting. Something obviously happened here, but it wasn't battle. Looks like an earthquake, but even an earthquake wouldn't make a city abandoned: no bodies. My guess? Either Bogan or Yaweh intervened somewhere. Perhaps the city was accursed? Perhaps a colony of people who decided to inhabit some area they shouldn't, then they disappear? A haunted city? As well, the symbol above the fountain is interesting. There are birds on Kal'Shabbol, eagle-like birds, some bird of prey. Something they respected. It seems to be holding up a sun. Perhaps a group of people who relied on the bird? Maybe they used the birds for flight or locomotion. I have an image of a big bird that could carry a Human.


 * I'm thinking ancient remains of Eden. I'd have to rewrite that bit of story information to fit, though, but I don't mind. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 3. Obviously a temple by the water, but see the overgrown foliage in the background? It hasn't been visited in years - why is it being visited now? Some ruins with something sacred left there? It is probably sacred, the people walking from the boat don't look like explorers but sages or priests. Maybe a tomb?


 * A tomb would be an interesting one for sure. Perhaps the tomb of one of the Twelve Sons of The Skywalker? Zios Malachor, perhaps? If not a tomb, I'm thinking it could be an ancient Jedi Bendu monastery being visited by members of the Bendu Order. Another interesting idea is that this could be a wedding of some sorts, and I say that based upon the long piece of cloth coming off of one of the people near the circular doorway. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A tomb or a monastery would work, but the wedding is a stretch. That just doesn't look like the place for a wedding, and it doesn't fit with the circular door. Circular doors are for more religious things - usually tombs. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 4. A city, on the top of a mountain. As well, there is a similar city in the distance. Why on the top? We don't see any lower than the top. Watchcities? Cities that alert nearby cities of danger? A fort? Why is it partly enclosed in a bubble? Protection? From what? Depends on what you want it to be impervious to.


 * I don't really like this design for something on Kal'Shabbol. It could work for Ondus or Aquilae, however. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 5. It is obviously an abandoned building, overgrown with foliage. Why? What happened here? Why did everyone evacuate? There is a large hole in the ceiling, though there appears to be no limb or tree that fell through it. The building was attacked, moreover, it was attacked from above. Why? Depends on what the building was. It looks grandiose, big and roomy, with an inside lake, large windows, stately arches. A palace, a temple? Maybe an indoor city; a city contained within a building. But why? What were they hiding from? What were they protecting themselves from? Was it the thing that made the big hole in it? Was that why they left?


 * That's generic enough to where I'd have to really think about that. I'll get back to you. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 6. Someone riding on an equine and going through an archway. This establishes horse-like creatures on Kal'Shabbol. The arches look either like they are leading out of a temple or a great city, or they are ceremonious. They don't look kept well - arches leading out of ruins? Ruins of what? And why would someone go there? He obviously isn't bringing anything out, except maybe the horse.


 * I like that picture, but when I saw it I had an idea of using it for something other than Kal'Shabbol. You'll see eventually. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]]  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Goodie. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 7. I like this one. This strikes me as something that would be in the Valley of the Shadow. It looks dark and ominous. It could be the graveyards you spoke of, you can see a headstone-like thing at the far left, but it also could be a city of people that live in the Valley. Why would they live in the Valley? A cult that follows the Valley people? Could be, as no one ever goes down there to check. This also establishes flying manta rays on Kal'Shabbol.


 * Seems too big to be a city in the valley. I may have use for it for other things, though. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, too bad, too bad. I liked that. I am interested in what it will be, though. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 8. Ah, very medieval-y. You can see there is very little technology here. This is ancient. This is an ancient burning. What was burning, and why? Was there an attack? Why are there no people? Are they already gone?


 * Not sure about how to use this one yet. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 9. This, this is how I picture Vattica. It may not be to you, but I see it that way. I very much like this image. Now, what is that lone watchtower doing? Does it hold any significance? What is the falls' name? If it isn't there, what is the city's name? What is it doing there? Why does it look that way?


 * Yeah, that's a good one for Vattica. Maybe I could call the river the Vattican River? It's not spelled exactly like Vatican, but it's a bit of an homage to it I guess. The watchtower could simply be a place to enjoy the view, and it also could have been used to look for enemy forces during the Ashlan Civil War. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Bendu don't seem like the type to build towers that would be that difficult to build for tourism's sake. A watchtower would be better. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 10. This holds great illustrative value. It looks as if glowing, the temple is, yes, mmmmmm. What temple/building is it? Why is it glowing? Is it because some Bendu is using some great power and it is causing the temple to glow? It would be interesting if the Bendu using this died in the process. Is the glowing because some great person has died, beloved by Yahweh, and this is what happened when he died?


 * Not entirely sure yet. It reminds me of a Bendu power, but I don't know why it'd be used in that building as of yet. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A Bendu power does that? oooooooooo. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 11. Obviously, this is an underground place. It looks serene and yet religious. An underground catacombs? A hidden place beneath the mountains? Why is it there? What significance does it hold?


 * There are catacombs within the mountains that hold the greatest secrets of the Bendu Order. Only those with explicit permission are allowed to go there. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Goodie, I found something that fits. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 12. A palace or something, looks abandoned. The curtains give it an eerie feel, as does the lightning. What happened here? the window's bars give it an almost prison-ish feel, despite the regal look of the place. It would be interesting to play it up as a kind of prison where someone important was locked up.


 * I like the image, but I don't like the city outside. It looks too much like Gotham City circa Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns to be the glorious cities of Kal'Shabbol. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Never seen Batman or Batman Returns, so I wouldn't know. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 13. A castle or something on the edge of a waterfall. Why on a waterfall? Ships do not pass beneath unless they're suicidal. What's the purpose? Is it a lookout point? There is a bridge that it rests near that spans the waterfall. Perhaps guarding the bridge from attack? Why did they put it near a waterfall? So that it would be precarious for ships to try and cross without the permission of those in the castle? How did they build the bridge? It would be difficult to do without killing half the crew.


 * I love this image. I just don't know how to use it yet. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 14. A library, and a vast one. Where would such a library be? What kind of books would it contain? When would it start? How do they preserve the books? Who's in charge of it?


 * When I saw this, I immediately thought of it being the main Bendu Library within the Temple of Light. The books would be galactic and Bendu history, Bendu philosophy, Jedi Bendu stuff, information on the Jedi Order, the Sith, etc. Basically, it'd be the Bendu version of the Jedi Archives, albeit not so shiny and computery. The books would be preserved through numerous publications, much like in today's world. There'd also have to be computers around there somewhere. I also really like the statue in it, but I'm not sure who it'd be. It doesn't look like The Skywalker, so I'm not really sure. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Who else is important in Bendu history? Before the building of the library, I mean. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 15. A cathedral-like building. It looks like its in the middle of a city. Why is it there? What is its purpose? Just where is it? Why such a spiky, pointy style of architecture?


 * I'm not sure if I really like this for Kal'Shabbol or not. It seems too' Christian and too'' Earth-like, even for the Bendu. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 16. Another abandoned building, but its different from the last one. This one has a different, more Arabian style in the windows, and a more Roman style for the columns. What happened here? Why is the style different?


 * Could be the remains of a Jedi Bendu monastery. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 17. This is a very different style city, very ancient. When is this? Why is it there? What is that large building they're constructing? Why is it near the river?


 * This feels more like Had Abaddon to me, presumably during the time of the exodus. Considering the exodus of the Jedi Bendu and The Skywalker is based on the real exodus of Moses and the Jews out of Egypt, that would fit really well since it looks like ancient Egyptian architecture. The building looked to me like the Tower of Babel at first, but that wouldn't fit in the timeline of the Jedi Bendu exodus, so I'm thinking just the royal complex on Had Abaddon. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooh. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 18. Another abandoned building, but it looks like a cathedral instead of a palace or temple. Notice the stained glass. Why is this in ruins?


 * It could have been a Jedi Bendu cathedral that was abandoned and then found by the Bendu when they formed their order on Kal'Shabbol. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 19. This, too, looks like an abandoned cathedral, but it has more red in it. Is it just a different section of the above?


 * I'd say so, plus per my above comment. - President Brandon Rhea [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  22:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll probably think of more later, but for now, this is good. I'll just continue to dump here until you can't stand any more. Remember, if you don't want to answer any of the questions (they were just to get you thinking, anyway), then tell me. I'll create an answer and a story behind it for you, its that simple. Thank you for letting me help. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  05:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Round 2
This will be added to as I think of stuff.

What do Kal'Shabbolian ships look like? Their speeders, their aquatic vehicles, their airspeeders (if any), their spaceships? - Solus (Bird of Prey)  18:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The picture (on the right) of the ships is what just small, regular fighters would look like (though they're a bit blurry since their moving). The city is how I see Ashla Prime, and you can also see Had Abaddon in the sky. Basically, if this was from a movie of Shadows of the Jedi: The Legend of Ussej Padric Bac II, this would be when Ussej and the gang are first brought to Ashla Prime to meet the Bendu Order. - President Brandon Rhea  (Pressroom)   (Accomplishments)  23:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)