User talk:TK-999/Archive2



IRC
Search "web irc" in Google and click on the link that says "freenode Web IRC (qwebirc)". That one works.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 19:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Warning
Per your Imperial communique, I'm here to warn you. What for? You know what you did. That is all. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 19:20, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your sarcasm-o-meter needs some fine tuning. =P - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 19:24, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with talking to users. On the contrary, I encourage it. What I discourage is leaving a message every time you see a user do something you perceive as wrong, needing improvement, etc. Your intentions in doing so would be 100% good, but for a newer or younger user it can easily be taken as hounding and harassment&mdash;especially since not everyone knows about Recent Changes or Wiki Activity, which has made people in the past think that I was just following them around. Communication and perception is in the mind of the listener, after all. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 19:33, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * So I can try to be more helpful, let's try this if you want. Pretend I'm a user who has just made my first edits, but they're a slew of edits that don't really conform to the Manual of Style. Additionally, I've uploaded 2 unsourced and unlicensed images. Write a warning on my talk page. I can then give you feedback on that warning. =) - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 19:39, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Make sure to lay into him. I want to be able to "interpret" it as such. Interpretation is the key after all.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 19:49, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Test
Cool, not bad. I do have some tips on that though:


 * "While we're glad that you began contributing to our wiki"&mdash;two things there. The "While we're glad…" sets up immediately a sense of "You're doing it wrong," and it's not the best impression you want to give from the get-go. Additionally, "our wiki" suggests that ownership belongs to other people and that the user is a guest on the wiki. Philosophically, everyone owns the wiki.
 * "below the standards set by the Manual of Style"&mdash;to me, this is basically just a nicer way of saying "your articles suck" in terms of how it can be taken.
 * "The second problem"&mdash;I wouldn't use the word "problem." It suggests that the user actually is causing a problem, which they're really not.
 * The information about the image sourcing and licensing is good, but also overly-detailed and scary. You mentioned the US government and NASA&mdash;that could make people think it's too complicated and scare them away from uploading images. Additionally, with our image policy being a bucket of lol, all the detail doesn't really help. That's through no fault of your own, though.
 * The Writing Center mentioning is good, but the set up of the Writing Center is done in a way where just sending them to the Writing Center can lead them to a dead end. They would need to know which specific forum in the Writing Center to go to.
 * Also be sure to welcome them to SWF if they're new.

So, here's the way I would write it:


 * Hey TK, welcome to Star Wars Fanon! Good job on your articles so far. There's a couple things that I wanted to help you with, though, in order to make sure your articles are the best they can be. The first is that I've cleaned up some of the formatting for you to go with the basic style of the wiki. You can click here ("click here" would be a link were it a real message) for a comparison between my edits and your last edits, to give you an idea of what I did specifically. Basically, the best thing to do would be to take a look at some of the other pages on the wiki (you can click here to generate random pages to read) to get a basic idea for the style, and just remember to write in the historical past tense and with proper spelling and grammar to the best of your ability.


 * The last thing I just wanted to point out is our image uploading guidelines. It can seem a bit complicated at first but trust me, it's not as scary as it looks! Basically you just need to take a look at the steps in that and choose whatever method for sourcing and licensing that you're most comfortable with.


 * If you need any help or there's anything you're unsure of, feel free to leave me a message and I'd be happy to lend a hand. There are a lot of other users in the community that would be happy to help too, so feel free to post a topic in the writing tips forum, part of our Writing Center, to ask for any help any time you need. Thanks, and enjoy your time here! =)

So what I tried to do there is make it as least intimidating and confrontational as possible, and&mdash;other than a subtle link to the Manual of Style and my mentioning of the image uploading guidelines (rather than using the word "policy")&mdash;with as little sense of authority as possible. It's written in a way to suggest as much helpfulness and as little administrative warning as possible. I also mentioned the specific forum in the Writing Center.

Also as a note that with the image uploading, I wrote that under the assumption that the new image policy will be proposed and approved in the very near future, hence the use of the word "steps."

You'll notice I didn't specifically mention the Manual of Style either. That was a conscious choice. I'd much rather direct people to other articles and point out to use the right tense, spelling, and grammar when possible, and save pointing to the long-winded MOS as a second or third, etc. option.

With that said, after leaving that note, I wouldn't leave a message for awhile. I'd give the person a day or two to try and familiarize themselves by using the other articles, and I'd help them clean up their articles without necessarily saying anything else. After a few days, if it still seems like no change is made, I'd leave them another friendly message&mdash;not a warning, but another friendly reminder.

I hope that was useful - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 21:20, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

User of the Month
Congratulations, TK-999! We here at the Star Wars Fanon Wiki look forward to your continued contributions to the community, as well as your own fan works! 23:32, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Well deserved. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 13:45, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Welcome back!
Hey TK! Glad to be back! I was gone longer than expected, as the short story gave me much grief. However, by and large, it's going very well. I'm still in the first draft stage, but I have a definite idea now of where the story is going. Oh, and because I saw your "User of the Month" tag on your talk page, I wanted to give you my congratulations again on earning that prestigious award. --Sebolto of Malastare  (Blab with me)  13:11, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll admit, it's pretty classy! :) I also like your new signature. I think it's about time I developed a new one. --<font color="#FF33CC">Sebolto of Malastare  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  13:16, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Interwiki Message
Ah, thank you very much. We've been having problems with this said user violating the canon policy on the wikia for quite some time; is it just those three articles or are there yet more?

As a side note, past tense is highly recommended as a style on the HFFW; however, its not mandated, inorder to allow somewhat greater freedom writing. Though I will note, present tense is silly and unworkable in a good story. =P

If you wish to discuss this, please message me on the #SWFanon IRC Channel - I like to hang out there under the nickname of "[Leo]"; to help improve interwiki relationships between #SWFanon and #Halo-Fanon =).

SPARTAN-118 (Talk) (Contributions) 14:35, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Notification
Thanks. Easiest thing to do in cases like this, where it's not clear whether or not the user has permission, is to ask. If they didn't have permission, we can revert. If they did have permission, even better! - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:11, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I already did. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:13, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

User of the Month
Hey TK, Thanks for supporting my nomination as User of the Month! It means a lot to me! --<font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:10, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re: ASE Navy
Oops, my bad. :) I meant ABY, not BBY. I fixed it. Thanks for the notification TK! --<font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:42, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh. All these dates are messing with my mind. I'll get it sorted out. --<font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  15:49, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Cole Kroger
Sorry, I got that from Jon Stewart and I thought it was humorous. Lord Kroger (Talk) 20:13, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Year articles
Hello there mate. While I appreciate the help in getting the year articles straightened out, I've got it covered using a quick system developed over hundreds of edits. In addition, as far as I know years themselves don't get specific era tags, much like planets and species (they're "timeless", as it goes). If you have any questions or concerns, please shoot me a message. Thanks! 20:34, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's quite alright. Like I said, the help is appreciated. But if I happen to be wrong about the era icons in years, then feel free to spread the love. If you'd like to correct more year articles, ask about the little system I've got going.  20:46, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hello, TK-999, Smashbro1996 here. I got your messages, and I thank you for the compliment on the 2nd message. In my case, I always appreciate compliments. I just wanted to let you know that your kindness & friendliness is greatly appreciated.

Once again, Thank you. Smashb96&#39; (Talk) 18:13, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Advice
Hey, TK-999, Smashb96' here again. I just wanted to ask you: What was the 'confused' face on your most recent message? I don't know what you meant by it.

BTW, I'm just a friendly and kind person, and I'm grateful whenever someone is kind or friendly to me.

It's not that I don't know about constructive criticism, I just only use it whenever I feel it is necessary.

I'm sorry if I may have confused you. Smashb96&#39; (Talk) 20:16, March 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Thanks for the info. Smashb96&#39; (Talk) 20:22, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Principle vs. Principal
Well done, TK. I failed because I was forgetting the context of the sentence. I was thinking of "principal" as a noun as in "the principals" as opposed to "principal" as an adjective, as in the sentence. Thanks for the edit :) --<font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  14:04, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Deletion
please could you delte the article Samatha Fetnane.

Spenpiano thanks you
Thank you TK-999. Feel free to add ideas, so I can put them in the my fan-made video game, Star Wars Episode VIII: The New Dawn.

Sorry about that/thanks for the reminder
Hey, TK. Sorry about editing Thenothernman's page. I forgot about the policy that concerned editing other people's pages. Just a mental error on my part. BTW, thanks for letting me know, as I might have continued editing that page, anyway. Once again, thanks. Smashb96&#39; (Talk) 20:35, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thrawn Campaign page
Hey, TK. I noticed some small grammatical errors on your Thrawn campaign page. Mind if I edit? Smashb96&#39; (Talk) 15:34, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

P.S: If the answer is no, I understand. If the answer is yes, thanks.


 * Well, here is an excerpt from the 3rd paragraph from the page's beginning (The introduction to the page):

The inexperienced New Republic fleets thrown in hastily were no match for the growing number of Imperial forces, but the arrival of experienced commanders, such as Garm Bel Iblis or Ackbar prevented the fall of Coruscant.

(Firstly, there needs to be a comma in front of the words fleets and hastily, but it could also be just one of the words. Secondly, it should be "Garm Bel Iblis and Ackbar, prevented the fall of Coruscant.)

Those are mistakes I noticed in that specific paragraph, but, in the future, I might notice more grammatical & punctual errors in other parts of the page, just to let you know.

Once again, if you say no, I understand, and if you say yes, then I thank you. Smashb96&#39; (Talk) 15:57, March 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Per the Manual of Style, you are allowed to edit other people's articles for grammar and punctuation, including some syntax. The only main thing not allowed is changing the storyline. <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  16:59, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Smash is actually right. Never go by Microsoft Word of any version. Its ability to spot grammar is horrible. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:48, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Very. I don't know why it's so bad, but it's pretty bad. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:01, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Off-topic but I should explain. Word is atrocious at finding grammatical errors because it does not take context into account. One will never spot the wrong use of a form of "there, where, or who" because it was spelled right in Word and the application has a limited library of proper grammar guidelines. It basically can spot run-on and fragment sentences and semi-colon usage. Essentially, if you spell a word correctly, it will never identify it as improper, grammatically. That is why Human examination is still the best and, pretty much, only outlet for revision. My off-topic spiel is now over.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 18:56, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Article deletion
Okay what makes an article qualified for deletion? I'm new so if you would just please clear that up for me I would be exremely grateful. Sorry to disturb you. Dar&#39;jetti (Talk) 16:22, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

plus I never even typed up the article Sithspawn. I swear I didn't. Dar&#39;jetti (Talk) 16:27, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I would But I don't know how. the pic came from this site: []. -- SkyGuy - Let's chat! 16:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wait skyguy are a fan of the mandalorians? oh I almost forgot Su'cuy. (Dar&#39;jetti (Talk) 16:51, March 19, 2011 (UTC))

RE: Deletion
Please, don't insult me! Seriously tho, it seemed like the right call at the time, so it was no big deal. Thanks anyway. 16:56, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realize that&mdash;it just so happened that I was patrolling the RCs and caught it. That first bit is just a jibe at certain things that happened in my past history...trust me buddy, you don't really want to know. Suffice to say it was a laughably ineffective attempt at humor.  17:02, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

what are you talking about? Dar&#39;jetti (Talk) 16:59, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

'Sup?
Hey buddy. While I appreciate the help with adding the sups and stuff to those two Marine units, it's not something that I myself am interested in. The old-school historian in me doesn't like them, and just imagine adding sups to the entire Republic Marines article&mdash;that'd add another ten kilobytes to it! In any case, thanks for your efforts. 18:24, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Editing
Some of the things he said were right, but it's your decision. Nonetheless, good point. <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  14:52, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Acrolis
Hi. I just wanted to let you know that a good article nomination you voted for, Acrolis, has been changed to a featured article nomination, and your vote has been moved along with it. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 15:24, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

CCS
Quote: Hi G@mbit! I reverted your edits to Cassidy Courier Services, as that article is the courtesy of I'm the Chosen One, and you would need his permission to change said article's plot or story. I suggest that you create your own version by clicking on this redlink: Cassidy Courier Services (G@mbit). Please note, however, that you may need to ask ITCO whether he allows you to use the name. If you have any questions, just let me know! Happy editing

I see... But can you set it back? I created the Cassidy Courier Services as a category yesterday as part of my fanfiction for Q7-N9, John Cassidy and Henry Benjamin Hawke. It seems some of the tekst I used for Cassidy Courier Services category was aslo found on the page Cassidy Courier Services. I think I'm the Chosen One just helped me to set things right...


 * Per G@mbit, you can see here that the text was originally on the category. ITCO moved it to Cassidy Courier Services, but it's not actually ITCO's article. I've reverted the edits back for G@mbit, as they are his articles and concepts. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 19:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, it was an honest mistake. =) - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 19:26, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hi TK-999, I have still one question left... How do I upload a picture for the CCS Article? I get a error when I try to upload one. --G@mbit (Talk) 20:46, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re: New Zirátæ Image
Really? What is his name? Because the gentleman who portrays Drewika is Daniel Craig, the most recent James Bond actor. <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  16:00, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. There is quite a similarity. <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  16:07, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: HTML help
I tested it in the sandbox with a direct copy/paste from the code you used on Wookieepedia. You can see the result here, where it worked just fine. You may have inadvertently removed a piece of coding if you were playing around with it here on SWFanon. If you did a direct copy/paste too then I'm not sure what the issue could be. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:09, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing that can be done about that is finding which userboxes break the template coding and then fixing that userbox. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:36, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Serkash Lahn
He dies two years after Darth Caedus does--Jax Vos (Talk) 22:36, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Images
How did you try uploading it?&mdash; TK-999  (Diplomatic channel · Campaign of conquest) 13:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well I go to "Community", "New images" I use "Add a Photo"... "Upload a Photo to the Wiki" and in the end I get this "Permission error"...

Permission error = "The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Autoconfirmed users, Sysop, Wikia Staff, Helpers."

So do you know what I do wrong? Or how do I become a "Autoconfirmed user"? --G@mbit (Talk) 23:22, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Forum archiving
That's the thing. To me, it didn't seem like it was really escalating very much. I'm an admin on other wikis (some of them with a younger demographic of editors), and it's generally quite clear when a discussion has turned into an argument and needs to be stopped. I didn't really get that impression here. Maybe it's harder to tell with older editors, I don't know.

Also, I kinda figured out why you'd reverted my comment, but thanks for explaining it to me! See you round! -- Supermorff (Talk) 19:07, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Images
(I have been renamed) How do I do it to ones I already put on here?--Jax Vos (Talk) 22:28, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

CC-3856
Hey Tk, Just dropping by to tell you that, "I feel your pain." So many users refuse to use basic English punctuation and grammar. It can get annoying after a while, but that's the cost we must pay to keep the wikia in good shape. <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  14:02, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess it helps more so that I hate the Jedi Order then. :) <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  16:23, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * You forgot a "|" between njo and leg eras, so that was the main tweak. The Old one was an afterthought. An afterthought that was obviously wrong. :) <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  17:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

1984
Not to clog up your talk page (as I usually do), but I couldn't help but comment on the fact that you like Orwell's 1984. That is an excellent commentary on human nature (as is Huxley's Brave New World, by the way), and it's good to see that some people are still reading the classics! <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  23:19, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you read the Hungarian or English translation of the book? Because I can see how Newspeak could be confusing in any other language besides English... <font color="#FF33CC">King of the Dugs  <font color="#FF33CC">(Blab with me)  14:44, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. What were your thoughts on the book?  King of the Dugs  (Blab with me) 16:05, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Images
Hi Brandon! You username has changed!

Just kidding, TK! There are quite a few. I have always sourced my images but never categorized them. I'll get on that.

 King of the Dugs  (Blab with me) 13:40, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

New articles
Can create a new kit fisto article then? :O

Re:Images
Fixed! Sorry, some days I completely forget to source correctly. I did some research into exactly where I found those images, and put the links in the respective Information infoboxes. Thanks, TK!  King of the Dugs  (Blab with me) 14:38, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

UOTM
Hey TK, Do you have any ideas as to who we could nominate for May's User of the Month? It's looking quite bleak, as we don't have that many obvious choices. We could always nominate Brandon or Trak again. :)  King of the Dugs  (Blab with me) 14:43, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

DON'T bother with Brandon again, he has made it perfectly clear in the past that he will not accept another nomination. It would be best to just wait for awhile, it is only April 5.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 17:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)