Star Wars Fanon:Deletion page/Star Wars Fanon:Vandal Poachers

This is a community vote as to whether the Vandal Poachers page and related category should be deleted as troll-feeding and because Vandalism is not a game!

Keep

 * 1) This should not be deleted.
 * 2) this is extremely needed and only vandels would benfit from deleting it. Darth Depressis
 * 3) This page is useful.
 * 4) Keep. Sulgran 02:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) KEEP THIS PAGE!!! It is a highly valuable resource that prevents vandals from attacking this site, upholds our security, and is a focusing point for unified member strength against threats, especially those of vandals. It is essential that this page remain up, for the future security and level of quality that this site upholds.--Promus Kaa 03:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) The VP's were all we had once to protect this site and it is unjust to forget their actions in our time of need. New users are used to Admins and Rules but this site was once in disarray and if it were not for the rules these users inforced most users would have left or had there work destroyed beyond repair. I remember user's staying up all night to watch out for this site and You say it's Troll feeding. Shame on You. This site Should Remember the VP's and thank them for the hours of work. I Know I do. Darth Aeonz 07:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) If the Vandal Poachers is deleted Vandals will attack more often.Vandals like Wiki that have little defense against them.If we defend against Vandal attacks the Vandals will eventually give up.-Malak 16:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) I think it should not be deleted, because like Malak said, it will attract vandals, and the site will be vandalized constantly, causing mass chaos. It is simple. Keep the Vandal Poachers. --BobaFatt 19:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) I agree with my brother, Malak.SW Fanon needs an Anti-Vandal group so we can revert vandalism and ban vandals faster.
 * 10) Keep the page.Selkath

Delete

 * 1) It trollfeeds terribly. It gives the trolls what they want, which is users getting ticked at them. The Vandal Poachers article practically screams WE WILL KILL VANDALS! HUZZAH! Which is trollfeeding. --[[Image:FireVSignature.gif]] I need friends! 02:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Trollfeeds. Plus, when it comes down to it, its completely unneeded. We are a SWFanon Wiki, not a Vandal-hunting site. All we need are admins, who are doing a fine job. If a vandal comes, everyone can pitch in to revert the damage. Master 76 Holodisk Mind TrickJedi Library 03:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) We should all be like Vandal Poachers anyway, without actually needing a group. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Additions to the archives) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|20px]] 12:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) The Vandal Poachers only enables the usage of a template on a userpage, and does not really help in reverting inappropriate edits. I have never joined, and I still have done plenty of good with reverting. What we do not need is to make troll-feeding as big a deal as we made vandalism, because vandals like their names being scorned at when others mention them just as much as their names and occupation being glamorized and fantasized. 13:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Not really. I made that template just to say that I, and anyone who used it, fights vandals.  Secondly, when I made the Vandal Poachers in May, yes, I was the creator, I only wanted to use them to organize a group of people to fight vandals so other users didn't have to and could continue on their creations.  That was their main purpose.  Seeing, however, as now everyone is fighting vandals, I don't really feel the need for them anymore. MaulYoda 22:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Why the heck are people voting to keep this? Bub TalkStuff 22:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Should have been done sooner. NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 23:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) We don't want to feed the trolls, do we?. Peace. Out. Moff Phoenix (Mofference) (The Library) [[Image:Era-njo.png|20px]] 20:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Comments
In response to Wikimaniac's comment, how is it useful? -- I need friends! 02:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Because it the user's who are in the list might be able to block user's. I think i might need that.
 * If you're not an admin, you can't block.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 03:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * To Promus Kaa's comment. It doesn't prevent vandals from attacking this site at all, rather, it troll-feeds and draws them here. It is uneeded and has little to do with the site at large. Therefore, it should be deleted. Master 76 Holodisk Mind TrickJedi Library 03:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Read my deletion vote for my opinion. But I think we should keep the antivandal template for now, but no more A-V stuff. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Additions to the archives) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|20px]] 12:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) You guys sound like the people who censor the Simpsons.LOL. I was just joking, incase anyone didn't know that.
 * . Anyways, I agree with Aiddat and Jedi Master 76 100%. One page doesn't automatically block all vandals, which for some reason, some people are led to believe. Like Aiddat said, we should be defending the wiki, but we don't need some political group for it. --[[Image:FireVSignature.gif]] I need friends!  18:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Where were you when we were dealing with DV, Tumble-Weed? (Not meaning to insult you or anything, it's just that you shouldn't talk like you were there when you weren't.) Bub TalkStuff 22:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * We did not "need" Vandal Poachers. Vandal fighting would have worked just as well, and possibly better without them. Bub TalkStuff 12:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I never “dealt” with DV. I was new when he started the Grand Army of Star Wars Fanon, Typhillian council, etc, and I thought he was a legitimate contributor on this wiki. Thus, I never participated in your arguments, as well as the fact that I did not have access to the 313 until recently and I was never around when you made “battle plans” in your “command post.” I am sorry if I wasn’t here during the “vandal wars” Bub, but I have helped against vandals on this wiki. During that time I have been accused of vandalism by DV (pretending to be Bobby Boulders), Darth Aeonz, Darth Mavoc (vandal himself), Wikimaniac and you. Just because I refuse to get involved in all this stuff and the fact that I’m in a different time zone does not mean I am not involved in this community. Saying something insulting and then asking someone not to get angry is like bombing for peace. I am removing my vote, I don’t support troll-feeding, but I suppose it depends on one’s definition. I am sorry Aeonz, I know how unfair this is. I don’t want any more accusations of vandalism flying my way. Leave me be.


 * Look, when, I say troll-feeding, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I never was around in the "vandal wars". They only existed in DV's head. I never made "battle plans" in a "command post". And I never accused you of vandalism. I accused you of troll feeding, which you are still doing now. Bub TalkStuff 12:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To Malak- It doesn't matter. Vandals will attack us whether or not they have 'Vandal Hunters'. Look at Wikipedia. They don't have this troll-feeding, but when vandals attack, they are banned in mere minutes, or even seconds. The second part may be true however. The more we calmly and quitely quietly reverse vandalism, the more vandals will get bored. We don't need a Vandal Hunting group to unite us. As I said before, all we need are admins, who are doing a fine job. If a vandal comes, everyone can pitch in to revert the damage. This Vandal Poachers thing is troll-feeding, and it only goads vandals on. Its unneeded and should be deleted. Master 76 Holodisk Mind TrickJedi Library

can someone tell me who: "VON WOLFSKEN" is and why he's screwed up my page and please let me know theres a way to deal with this kinda problem?---Darth Depressis


 * He's a vandal, as you can see. He appears to be making demands to be the only admin of Wookieepedia, or else he'll "crush this wiki", as he calls it... --[[Image:FireVSignature.gif]] I need friends! 22:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Advice (though not a vote, I'm not really part of this group): Get rid of this page, don't contribute to the editthis.info wikis about "vandal wars" and "wiki governments" and the like, and don't encourage the trolls. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't have to be in the group to vote. And yes, that's what this discussion is about. Bub 23:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In response to Bub: I stated why I did not specifically "deal with DV" as you put it. The "Vandal Wars" is a term that was created to describe the vandals the vandalised before "The War With ISV." I did not make that term, that is why it is in quotation marks. I do not support the use of this term and if anyone would give me another term I can use I would be glad to use it. When I voted to keep the page you asked me where I was. When I told you where I was you called me a troll-feeder. As you can see there is not point to me saying anything if you are going to call me names. As such I have withdrawn my vote.

-Malak 01:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Now when a member sees vandalism he'll just not revert it because even reverting is called "Trollfeeding" now.-Malak 12:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You obviously have no clue how wikis work. Reverting vandalism is BASIC WIKI ETIQUETTE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE DOING.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 14:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Why the page should be deleted
I recommend that everyone read the link Angela added to the top regarding how vandalism is not a game. The existence of the Vandal Poachers page and the fact that you refer to yourselves as "Vandal Poachers" on your userpages (with or without the numerous anti-vandal templates) is feeding the trolls, whether you want to admit it or not. Even the page creator says that this page has no value anymore, since everyone is fighting vandalism (like they should be).

You don't see anti-vandal teams on Wikipedia or Wookieepdia...why should we have one? Nobody should be have to be part of a team to revert vandalism...it should be common sense that if you see vandalism, you revert it.

Also, as Silly Dan said (and I stated in another thread), stop contributing to the editthis.info wikis run by the ISV, RVK, etc. Do not offer to make peace with them; do not offer to ally with them. Doing so feed their egos even more. They are vandals, and they are not to be trusted. Time and time again, you guys have been stabbed in the back because they have offered a "truce" or an "alliance" that you naively accepted. In short: IGNORE THEM. If you get vandalized and I'm not available, contact Angela, sannse, Splarka or one of the other members of Wikia staff. At least one of them is always hanging out on IRC in the #wikia channel.

In short: The Vandal Poachers page is part of a game you guys are playing with the vandals...and you wonder why they keep attacking you...  StarNeptune Talk to me! 05:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Why This Page Should Not Be Deleted

 * This is Very Unfair. The Vandal Poachers were using and protecting this site long before we ever had ADMIN(S). The Vandal Poachers page should be a saved and protected and used thank all the Users who help stop this site form being destroyed when The ISV and DV and all those other Vandals Atttacked. It is very rude of the new users who just thought that this site repaired itself and was not saved by the VP and the work of the other non VP members. It is also troubling that some VP veterens are just saying aww hell lets just erase the fact that we needed Vandal Poachers at all. I think it is this foolishness that stops me from coming here as much...''Darth Aeonz 06:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It's name "Vandal Poachers" may sound like trollfood but to vandals it is the only thing stopping them for taking over SW Fanon.-Malak 16:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It didn't stop them before, so your argument holds no water. StarNeptune Talk to me! 18:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Vandal Poachers are just ordinary users who have a template on their userpage. Any user can revert damage, just as any so-called "Vandal Poacher" can add unneeded edits to a page's history. (Remember our old friend, Darth Vacatour?) The users here can protect the site just as easily without screaming out to the world that vandals are present and they are keeping them from having lasting effects. --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 19:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't know how I did it, but the comment I made before is quite redundant now. Thanks, Silly Dan! NK says NK's 'mazin' articles 23:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

We did stop them before because we tell the Admins to ban the Vandals who come here and we revert vandalism.It is an organized group dedicated to reverting vandalism and reporting vandals to the Admins.Gotta get going my brother wants to get on.-Rodian 12:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at your contributions, I see no evidence that you personally have done any of this. Maybe you really are Malak's brother, or maybe you're his sockpuppet...I can't prove it either way. However, your edit history is quite sporadic, with only four dates in total that you have edited here: June 27, July 1, July 4, and today. If you really are Malak's brother, you're not here often enough to form an opinion except from what you hear from your brother. Just sayin'.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 14:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If we're going by edit history starneptune i will remove random IP votes and votes by new users who have made zero contributions and are probably sockpuppets of these IP's

To Malak: you're saying that it will attract vandals if it's removed? Have you been watching what has been happening? The page attracts vandals when it exists! We don't NEED a stupid political party to remove vandalism. Reverting vandalism, as StarNeptune said, is basic ETIQUETTE that should be done by everyone. The stupid page isn't needed.

And you know what? This entire thing ties into how everyone likes playing games with the community. The Vandal Poacher's real quest is to play games with vandals. That, and only that, was the intention. -- I need friends! 16:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

This vote is useless. All these newbies are seeing the name of the page and voting to keep it, not realizing what it does. Bub 20:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. I think I may delete the page, but let you guys keep the template. Besides, the fact is that this vote is going nowhere, being that it's split almost down the middle. I also noticed that most of the people voting "keep" appear to have no clue how wikis work (or maybe they do and just don't care). You can protect the wiki just fine without having this page around. Wikipedia and Wookieepedia do not have a page like this, and they can (and do) revert any damage and ban vandals just fine.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 20:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Star Neptune. I think you misunderstand. This page should be left, but go unused. I should be left as a tribute to the user's who helped when we had no admins. The vote IS NOT split it is in favour. You shoud not delete if more people favor it then not. You are the admin not me, but I cannot understand. The only reason your a admin is becasue you earned it. How will these people ever get it if all the work they did goes unreconized... I think making this a bug deal by puting links on all pages this VP Vote and all this dissicussion is just more ammo. Do you want a civil dispute on your hands. This page is troll feeding not the VP It was something we once needed and should be left as a tribute. I think you and the user's voting aginst this are wrong are just as guilty of troll feeding as us. The VP page should STAY and THAT'S THAT>Darth Aeonz 21:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The only problem is, half those users that voted yes are noobies and probably have little or no understanding about what the page does. Master 76 Holodisk Mind TrickJedi Library

MaulYoda's Opinion
Why did I make the vandal poachers? Good question. I made them so that a select group of users, not everyone, could revert vandalsim and take care of the vandals while the rest of the wiki contiued to contribute to the site and help it grow. But now seeing as everyone does both, there's no need for them. And as a confession, I created the Vandal Wars article originally to keep track of vandal attacks that had happened. DV took it out of hand though and I stopped caring about it long ago. But as for Vandal Poachers, let them go. They've inspired us all to fight vandals, I think, and so they are no longer a use to us.

Archive the page StarNeptune and source protect it. The discussion is over. The VP's have a tribute page that is also source protected as well as a template.