Star Wars Fanon:Requests for adminship/Archive/NKSCF

NKSCF 31 March, 2007
Well, like Jack I have admin experience&mdash;Spider-Man wiki, although I don't go there anymore, and I guess the 313 would count, but I really didn't do much there, lol.

Some cons I can think of are my attack on the Haven a while back and helping to bring back DV about nine or so times. I'm very forgiving, lol.

To plagarize Jack and Squishy, I'm on here a lot as well and would like to help with the formatting of the entire community by deleting unneeded articles.

Support

 * 1) Troyb 22:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) One of the only users that have been on longer than I have. Great guy, and if he becomes admin, he'll feel inclined to stay on Star Wars Fanon. --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 01:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) He did start the "editing war", after all.
 * 4) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 04:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) He has my full help for being a helpful user and also a regular contributor and really an improvement activist.
 * 7) NKSCF is very much qualified for adminship. He has been here for a very long time, almost the beginning, and has the good of SWFanon at heart.
 * 8) I have made my mind, he does deserve it, he also helps me out when I have questions. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 00:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Great writer, person, friend, etc. As I have dropped out of the SysOp election I put my vote to NKSCF (funny and long name). You will be a great leader. Also unlike Darth tader (no offense my friend) he didn't come to me and ask me to vote for him. This shows he is not a pressuring and power hungry person (not scarring up people's talk pages asking them for their votes)
 * 10) NKSCF is a capable and responsible person. In my opinion, he deserves this position. -- 23:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * NK, your'e a great person, and I will gladly vote for you, no chache!

Oppose

 * 1) Experienced enough, perhaps, but he still needs to learn how the wiki system works. Lord Orenc  ( Comlink )( Conquests ) 02:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "experience", Bub?
 * 1) What, are you kidding me? You users go all gooey over blatant NPA breachers? Jesus Christ! .  .  .  .  10:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh... When has NKSCF made deliberate and blatant personal attacks? --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 12:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fresh from the Official Friend of Wookieepedia discussion! "I don't care what Redemption or 4dot say, I will not let their stupidity influence my decision. Wookieepedia is a wonderful website and without it, I would sometimes be lost in my articles, as most of the info I need is from there. Again, do not let imbeciles like 4dot and Redemption get in the way of becoming an official friend to Wookieepedia" .  .  .  .  23:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Everyone looses his or her cool every so often. Nobody is perfect.
 * That's beside the point. Admins shouldn't lose their cool. .  .  .  .  00:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I did lose my cool because people were going to vote against becoming a friend of Wookieepedia based upon Redemption and your actions. I didn't think this was a viable reason for not wanting to become a friend, since the majority of Wookieepedians are very nice people. I've already apologized for calling you and Redemption imbeciles, but I really think your vote is void, as you don't contribute to the site. It's not like I was going to ban you or anything&mdash;if I had admin powers&mdash;as you yourself stated, we're way too lenient and for good reason, I believe in forgiveness. Mostly because I don't deserve His forgiveness in the first place, but yet he gave it to us, the sinners and unworthy. That is why I love our lenient system.
 * 1) http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 02:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You know fourdot, you guys were making personal attacks, too.
 * It's ok, Rayze. He's got a point.
 * I don't mean to hone that point, but I will anyway, as I think it's going to have to be a new precedent for this Wiki. True, I was myself making weak-as-water personal attacks, but A) Only in retaliation (not that it makes it right), and B) I'm not the one up for adminship. Over at Wookieepedia, a transgression during your admin run can mean a sure-fire no-go. I think it would be wise is suit was followed here. .  .  .  .  12:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Bub, I'd like to understand what you mean by "learning how the wiki system works"? Is it my inability to do anything involving templates or something more serious? Thanks.

Questions

 * 1) If you become a admin,what would you do to inprove this wiki? Troyb 22:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Well, for starters, I'd keep up the "editing war" and format or delete articles&mdash;including mine, believe me, there's room for improvement on some of them. I'd be there to answer any questions someone might have, at least to the best of my ability. I'd help if a vandal came along and ban them reasonably. I'd be open to new ideas that would help improve the site in any way and act accordingly. Oh, thanks for the vote, Troyb!
 * 3) Who shot first, Han or Greedo? --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 23:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Han! Nobody's aim is that bad, besides mine on Battlefront II.
 * 5) You just saved my vote for you. -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]]
 * A newer user creates a canon article and you delete it without going over it thoroughly, and the new user gets quite upset, saying he included a small amount of fanon in it. You restore his work, though not before taking a large amount of indignant whining and cussing from him, how do you respond to him? -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 23:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologize for not looking over the page properly and warn him that excessive usage of language to get a point across is enough for a small 1-2 day ban. If they still respond in that way, enforce what I said and wait. If they keep complaining even after the short ban, then I will ask for support in deleting the article a second time and maybe for a stricter ban.

BWAHAHAHAHA! --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 22:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you asked for it. (The following slightly modified from Wookieepedia...)


 * 1) Why do you want to become an administrator?

Well, for starters, I don't believe that three&mdash;actually four&mdash;admins are enough for a wiki of this size. I'm here a lot of the time and I have been on the site a while. I have experience being an admin and wish to serve the community of SWF by helping them out. I also believe that I am one of the most qualified people on the site for the job.
 * 1) In your opinion, what is the role of an administrator?

The role of the admin is to do what others can't. They are supposed to be a guiding light for all users&mdash;newbies and oldtime favorites&mdash;and they are supposed to adjudicate in disagreements by being as unbiased as possible concerning a dispute. They delete unneeded articles and ban people with no lives. In short, they are there to help the community of a wiki to grow.
 * 1) In your view, do administrators hold a technical or political position?

Technical, like Jack said, admins aren't God, they just have a couple extra buttons to press. (Hey, at least I sourced him.)
 * 1) How do you feel admins should use their power/stand in comparison with other users?

Only when the need arises. A vandal of Bobby Boulders' caliber doesn't really need a tea social discussing what we're going to do to him.
 * 1) Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

Well, just yesterday, Patricknoddy and I were arguing over whether or not the fancan template should be on the article page or its talk page.

I reverted his edits several times, and each time I referred him to his talk page where I explained why I was reverting his edits. Eventually he either gave up or needed to leave his computer.

The next day I went to you and sought clarification of whether or not I was in the right.
 * 1) Of your articles or contributions to Star Wars Fanon, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?

The biggest Mary Sue of them all: NKSCF and his grandfather Nathaniel Kenobi. They are the ones that I have worked the hardest on and received the most praise and strife over.
 * 1) What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with?

Definetly deleting the articles which have the delete tags on them. I think the other guys who gets elected and I will have a bonfire ready the day we're "elected".
 * 1) How important is it for you to be involved in things such as CT, IDrive, FA, and other community-centered items that involve discussion and voting?

It's important that I don't use my authority to get what I want in them, unless it's for the betterment of the site. If there's a dispute, I'd be the first there to help alleviate it.
 * 1) Do you think admins performing actions (I.e. deletions, blocks, etc.) for reasons not covered on policy should be sanctioned/punished? If so, how?

I for one believe that punishing a person with an ex post facto law is unwikitutional.
 * 1) What is your policy, if any, of welcoming new users? Should you welcome a new user, do you look at his/her contributions beforehand? What about anonymous IPs?

I always check someones contributions beforehand before I welcome them. If it looks like they've contributed well, then I'll send 'em a hello.

Anons I also check the same way, since they're more likely, IMO, to be vandals.
 * 1) How would you react if someone undeleted an article you'd mistakenly speedied? Under what circumstances would you consider it appropriate to undelete an article mistakenly speedied by another administrator, if any, and how would you approach this task?

Well, if I'd made a mistake, then I'd send them my thanks for catching my mistake. If the article in question was indeed one for deletion, then I'd explain why I deleted it on the other admin's talk page.

If the article was mistakenly deleted, I'd restore it and tell the other admin why.
 * 1) How would you react if your user page was vandalized? Under what circumstances would you block the offender? Is there anything else that you would do in this situation?

The same way I feel if anything's vandalized, calm and collected. I've learned to get the MY PAGE IS VANDALIZED I'M GONNA KILL WHO DID IT! attidtude out of my system.

I probably wouldn't do anything drastic, unless they'd done it to a whole lot of other pages.
 * 1) Under what circumstances would you consider blocking an established user?

If they pulled a DV and vandalized everything in sight. Even if it was "just a joke", I'd still place a ban, though not quite as heavy as the first one.
 * 1) If you could change any one thing about Star Wars Fanon, what would it be?

The articles that don't deserve to be here. I'd either change them or delete them, but only if they were against site policy.
 * 1) Would you look at a glass to be half-empty or half-full?

I'm a pessimistic-optimist, it's both.
 * 1) Do you feel the current blocking policy is too restrictive, not restrictive enough, or OK as it is?

Just fine. Haven't seen a major vandal come in forever. If I could figure out how to premanently stay there, then I'd be the first to sign up.
 * 1) Have you ever considered becoming a regular visitor to the Star Wars Fanon IRC chat?
 * 1) How do you feel about people who already have some influence on other Star Wars wiki communities (Wookieepedia, for instance) trying to change policies here?

Well, Wookieepedia is a very respectable site and a great source of info. They didn't get there by chance, no, they had intelligent people sit down&mdash;well, they were doing that anyways&mdash;and talk over what's best for the community. I think we should learn from their mistakes and accomplishments.

But if they're trying to force something we don't like, then no.

But for something like a RP SW wiki, maybe not so much. I don't know why, but I just don't like them.
 * 1) How many clones do you think fought in the Clone Wars? (Note: You are wrong no matter what answer you give.)

The given number is 2 million for the beginning, but if we tally up every single clone created&mdash;fanon or canon&mdash;I believe we have a number between here and there. The only correct answer is Kyle Katarn.)
 * 1) Who is the most awesome Jedi of all time? (Note:

NKSCF Kyle Katarn, the single greatest EU charcater of all time!
 * 1) Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

My teacher says I act more like a Nazi.
 * 1) What's more important to you: consensus or policy?

Policy, defintely, but only after it's been voted upon.
 * 1) Have you had any previous leadership experience (in your community, on the web, etc.)?

Well, in my church, I am sometimes a substitute small group leader when ours is sick or away.

On wikia, I have been an admin at the Spider-Man wiki, even though I don't go there anymore. Now for my own:


 * 1) Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

The fool. It's ok to delude yourself with an idea, but when you bring other weak-minded people in with you, you are creating massive turmoil that should have never occured.
 * 1) What is your vision of Star Wars Fanon? How can you help accomplish this with admin powers? How can you help accomplish this without admin powers? (Note: BIG LONG paragraphs please )

My vision is a Star Wars Fanon wiki with over a million pages&mdash;with a lot of them made by me &mdash;and a model of what a wiki should be. I envision a SWF that is looked upon by its peers, rather than down upon. I envision newer wikis looking up to us and wishing they could find ways to get where we are. Finally, I envision SWF as a place where the lamb lays near the lion and&mdash;whoops, wrong question. :p

With admin powers, I can deleted worthless articles that ruin our image. With admin powers, I can ban those who would stand in the way of progress&mdash;told you I was a Nazi. :p With admin powers, I could the everyday "life" of SWF flow much better. With admin powers, I can have ULTIMATE POWAH! :p (Last warning about being a Nazi.)

Without admin powers, I can still propose new ideas, kinda similar to the "editing war", and be a regular user for the regular users. Without admin powers, I can still effectively revert vandals and work to better the site. Without admin powers, I can only be a pretend-Nazi :(
 * 1) How many times does a page have to be vandalized for it to be protected?

For something like the main page, I'd say 6 or so. For something like the aforementioned Coruscant, maybe 4, because then I could end the dispute by informing the parties involved of SWF Policies and not worry about them messing with it whilst I was monologuing. :p
 * 1) How many chances should we give a semi-good-faith contributor who occasionally gets bored and starts editthis vandal bases? (Hint: Where $$X=Number of chances we gave DV$$, $$X-X+1$$)

As long as he doesn't do anything to our site, none. But if his actions cause ramifications here, then&mdash;if we're doing DV math *shudders*&mdash;10 or so. *Starts crying* But when you subtract ten from ten and then add one, you get 1!
 * 1) Should "newbies" (listed in Special:Contributions/Newbies) be allowed to vote?

I assume they're not anons, so yes. They have just as much valuable input as the "old guns" do. But if they're comments are nonsense, no vote.
 * 1) Would you like to correct any of Darth tader's mistakes in answering his questions?

I think the Main Page is just fine.
 * 1) Would you like to correct any of Jack Phoenix's mistakes in answering his questions?

Kyle Katarn is God in human form! Do not blasphemy his name by mentioning Obi-Wan!
 * 1) Would you like to correct any of Squishy Vic's mistakes in answering his questions?
 * 2) How long have you been writing? (This means all writing as a hobby, not just Star Wars Fanon, but not quite your first grade handwriting assignments)

I as going to start writing a Jonny Quest/SW crossover when I was the young age of 7. Yes, I am a nerd. But, due to the lack of knowing what words were what, my attempts were somewhat lacking.

I first started SW fan-fics two years ago, but that was just pitching ideas.

I am in the process of working on 3-4 Christian Fiction novels that deal with sci-fi issues, but hopefully not overdoing it. We don't find out that Kyle really is God. :P
 * 1) How long have you been a frequent internet user? (In the manner of Web 2.0: where YOU are the person of the year. By the way, congratulations.)

Since, oh, well '97, ten years? I'm hoping it's Time Magazine. The Fatherland. (Nazi) Without them, there wouldn't ba an us, but I don't think we should start rebelling againsy King George III, just yet. :p
 * 1) Do you know where the "YOU are the person of the year" comes from? (If you get this wrong, you need a life outside Star Wars Fanon)
 * 1) What is Wikipedia in relation to Star Wars Fanon? (Interpret it as the first logical whim you get to explain this question)
 * 1) How long should an article be before it gets featured?

I usually hit the&mdash;I can't believe I don't remember the name&mdash;thingy on the side that you hit to scroll down the screen, seven or so times. If it's less and the article is not very well formatted, my vote's against it. Krion was an exception, since it was the first one and MaulYoda isn't showing up for a while to redo it.
 * 1) What is your policy on Mary Sues? (If you discourage them, you are a big fat hypocrite)

The most dangerous greatest things the world has ever seen. Without Superman or Kyle Katarn, the world/Galaxy would be ruled by Lex Luthor/Jerec. :p
 * 1) What is the most important part of the United States Constitution?

All men are created equal.
 * 1) What is the most important part of the Star Wars Fanon policy list?

Civility. I can't stand users who excessively cuss or disrupt the wiki with their antics.
 * 1) Do you encourage the community working together on articles?

Yes, some of the greatest stories I've written have been with JM76/JD, and hopefully Cosmis' new one coming out will be just as good.
 * 1) Would you encourage the community working together on articles more if your were an admin?

Certainly.
 * 1) How does an admin "help other users" better than any old regular user?

You wouldn't have this position if you weren't trustworthy enough in the wikia admins' minds, true? If someone's been given the powers of an admin, they are usually the people who can look up to and ask questions to. It's that psychological edge that helps, IMO.
 * 1) What's all this de facto stuff about?

I plead the 5th!
 * 1) If Han shot first, does that mean the special editions are a lower level of canon than the first releases?

I think that I close my eyes every time I watch that part.
 * 1) Do you recommend Battlefront II? I might want to get it.

Oh, yes! This game has got it going on. Playing as a Jedi with restrictions that keep you from being a Mary Sue&mdash;KOTOR ring a bell?&mdash;are what makes it great, but don't get me started on the space battles. Superb! You need to get this game, but remember that BF III is coming out sometime soon!
 * 1) Why do all the newcomers whose names start with "Darth" seem to be obsessed with Knights of the Old Republic?

Who isn't?
 * 1) Should any of the types of fanon in Forum:Classes of Fanon be disallowed? (Hint: among the correct answers is "L-fanon.")

Defintely U-Fanon and L-Fanon.
 * 1) Do you feel a sting deep down inside every time you put a delete template on an article that you know was written in good faith? (I do.)

Yes, I've gotta admit it. I feel sorry.
 * 1) Are you aware that cryogenics sterilize cells and effectively kill organic tissue irrevocably with someone the size of a half-human Jedi?

Yes, but due to the fact of Kyle Katarn's blessings and some well-placed Polis Massan scientists, the guy survived to live to a ripe old age of 4,003!
 * 1) How much does a fanon author "own" a page?

Only so much that no one else can use it unless they specifically give permission. Don'tedit/madeby templates get on my nerves, especially when a good writer, Aiddat, has them on his.
 * 1) Seriously, what's the point of POV in a fanon wiki?

Point of view? Well, basic formatting really helps the article, since really biased piece of works rarely do anything but irritate others.
 * 1) Should we link canon topics to Wookieepedia, Wikipedia, or create canon articles here with minor doses of fanon?

Canon articles with fanon.
 * 1) I'm confused... what's so bad about The Phantom Menace?

Most people because of the dialogue, others because they say the Neimoidians/Gungans are kinda really racially-attached, I'll say, to people on Earth, but the major problem that fans don't like is that Jar Jar seems at times to be there for the kids and the idea that Anakin was once a cute, little kid didn't help. I, for one, don't care about any of the above. The dialogue didn't get bad till AOTC. R2-D2!
 * 1) Who is the greatest hero of all Star Wars [canon]? (Hint: NOT Kyle Katarn)
 * 1) How can Star Wars Fanon be more community friendly without losing sight of its purpose? (That means no Myspace)

By only disallowing things that would be detrimental to the site. Haha, the fun begins...
 * 1) How much responsibility do you think the Decreton Lords have? Do they have too much, or too little? At what point is their level of responsibility too much for just one group to handle and needs to be dispersed amongst the community? -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 23:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The DLs have a lot of reponsibility, FAs are very important parts of the site and need to be managed accprdingly. They have just enough power right now. When the DLs start acting like their opinions are the only opinions possible, then it's too much.
 * 1) Should anons be allowed to vote? What about new users? If you see a suspicious string of similar votes by different users, what do you assume (eg. I vote for... I vote for... I vote for...)? How do you handle it?

Anons shouldn't be allowed to vote. Without checkuser, there would be almost no way to tell if someone was voting for something again. New users, yes, please look at C3PO's question for that answer. I assume nothing, but think everything. I go to Angela/Sannse/another wikia admin and ask for a check on each IP. If there is indeed a similar vote, then I inform the user to quit and strikethrough the votes.
 * 1) Do you like CGI or puppet Jabba better?

Puppet, the CGI looked kinda stupid to me.
 * 1) Do you think that Jacen should have turned to the Dark side? What do you think of his fall? What about his possible Sith names?

I, for one, think that Jacen still has an ace up his sleeve. I think he knows he's arrogant and also knows that he can pull this off, but if he doesn't reveal this to someone soon, he will fall. Darth Paxis, it explains what he's trying to do prefectly.
 * 1) What is the difference between a vandal article and a poorly made stub. Should both be deleted?

A Vandal article is one with explicit references to things no one should put here and also has bad grammar, while poorly made stub is just in need of some formatting.
 * 1) Should we delete articles that have little text, but say the article will be improved soon, though the author has been missing for two or more months?

Very little text meaning a stub, maybe an infobox with barely anything filled, and the like? Honestly, I'd leave this to a decision made by the other admins. I'm not swinging either way for this one, which is odd, 'cause I usually have an opinion. :p
 * 1) Where is the line drawn between a Mary Sue and an uber powered up Jedi/Sith who wins most of his battles?

The death and what they have to deal with If they deal with things like family life and fail in that task, or barely so, it wins me. It also has to have a death that isn't just, oh, uber guy died. It has to mean something.
 * 1) What is the part of the US Constitution is most relevant to SWF?

Seperation of powers. Admins are important, yes, but they're not God, they're fallible.
 * 1) Should we be official friends of Wookieepedia?

Only if the feelings mutual.
 * 1) How do you take article criticism?

Very well. If all I'm getting is praise, there's got to be something wrong, because nothing's perfect. An excellent example of this would be MPK's views on my articles. His opinions aren't just, It sucks, I hate it, no, they're very well conducted and get the point across. As I recall, one of them was your fault.
 * 1) Who's better, R2-D2 or HK-47?

Tough one, R2-D2 by a small margin. Both are awesome characters, but nobody really saves the Galaxy like R2.
 * 1) When do you think Knights of the Old Republic III will come out, if ever? What about Battlefront III?

KOTOR 3 and BF 3= November, a couple of weeks before Christmas.
 * 1) Does Star Wars ever become boring? When it's about vehicles and weapons, I die. I like the idea they're using them, just don't explain how they work to me. You push a button, the starfighter goes vroom.

I know, I know, I'm evil... -- Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library  23:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I...finally finished...need to get...a life.