Forum:Proposal-DL/HP swap

Hello everyone, I want to reach a consensus on an idea that I've been thinking of. Lately, we have seen that two of our DLs, Jack Phoenix and C3PO the Dragon Slayer, have not been voting and have slowed down the voting process for FAs, hence the reason for the recent threads/proposals to change some things up.

The proposal is to attempt to solve the voting problems we seem to have with C3PO/Jack not voting. Why don't C3PO and Jack swap positions with JM76 and Solus- meaning that JM and Solus will become the DLs (giving up their HP positions) in exchange for C3PO and Jack becoming HPs (giving up their DL positions). This way, we have more of a chance that FA voting will be done; also, because I know that Solus is a great critic and would give potential FAs a hard time and JM76 is willing to do this (I believe).

Some of you may say that "things won't change" but let's look at the facts; C3PO and Jack do not vote because he doesn't want to and because he is lethargic, respectively. (These are admitted facts on forums and IRC). JM76 and Solus might not vote because they are busy at school or whatever, but they would still vote when they were to get the chance. That is how I see it, and that would be much better for FA potentials, since they wouldn't just be sitting there, waiting to see if they become an FA or not.

Please, let me know what you all think. This is a consensus, not a vote.

-- Victor  ( talk ) 04:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I'd say that's fine with me, but it'd have to be CBT and Jack, not 3PO. 3PO is still active, while the other two, not so much (or at all in CBT's case). So it just doesn't make sense for 3PO to leave. Besides that, and excuse me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Solus just recently voted onto the HP board? I'm not saying she's a bad HP, its just shouldn't the switch be with the more veteran HP? D arth  P  hobia  12:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Solus is one of two active "veterans", so to speak. Tader has left for awhile and Pinky has disappeared. That leaves JM, Solus and Dex, the first two being the senior of the three. I'll look this entire thing over later today. - Brandon Rhea 13:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think this solved the problem - more like moves it around. Besides, the solution is simple: require less DL votes, so that the people with more stuff to do that just SWFanon (like me) don't need to voice their opinion on every article. Simple. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 14:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, in the end, it's either this or give up your position completely. It's unfair to keep a position and do nothing with it when there are people who are perfectly willing to have the title and carry out the responsibilities that go along with it. If you "just don't want to vote" and "are lethargic", become an HP - their voting doesn't matter as much, so you can hold off for awhile with HP voting. Let people who are willing to actually be DLs do the job. Also, you say "so they don't have to vote on every article". You don't even vote on articles that you need to vote on. How can you guys be expected to do it for articles you don't need to do it for? The problem will persist. We may not have such a long list of articles that need votes, but we'll still have do-nothing DLs. - Brandon Rhea 19:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * All of which is very true. I think you should just impeach us and let us vote on successors. On a more serious note, I'd like to point out that Star Wars Fanon should have only a few decimals over 1 article net gain added to the FAs every week. We don't need to look at, necessarily, how many of those nominated are becoming Featured Articles. We should select the minority of the best, so anyone first finding Star Wars Fanon and skimming the Featured Article will realize "Wow! This is really cool!" and develop a good impression of Star Wars Fanon. Admittedly, DL work is lower on my priority list than Avian Hunt and real world obligations, both of which combined are demanding a substantial amount of work. I'd gladly step down if it meant an alternative to making FAs even less likely to be the best of the best. I'll probably post later just to break things down to simple philosophies and values so we can better figure out what to do. In the meantime: What is a Featured Article for? --C3PO the Dragon Slayer 6,000,000 forms of communication 19:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I'd probably be easier for me to do DL stuff than HP stuff, but that's not the point. As to 3PO's comment, rules can be changed, if that's what you're getting at. --  JM  76  Ask   Archives  [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg|20px]] 21:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Vic.

As Brandon said, why have a position as a DL and let it go to waste. If you know you cannot fulfill your duties, please say so and that way someone else can take the position (JM/Solus). As for FA reviews, I plan to be as picky as Solus in the future; I was looking through older FAs (not the ones that lost FA status, the ones that kept it) and some of them have some problems and writing formats that could be fixed, which I will judge on in the future and when I have time to review all the articles in the "Massive FA Review". -- Victor  ( talk ) 23:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, your solid reason is inarguable with. I resign. ← ← ← ← Now that that's done, we should still figure out what the point of Featured articles is. This could be a few possibilities:


 * 1) To exhibit the best of Star Wars Fanon's produce.
 * 2) To draw attention to some of the hard work users have done.
 * 3) To give color to the Main Page.
 * 4) To award articles and the users who made them.


 * If it's #1, a DL should be as stingy as possible and thoroughly read only the most promising ones. They should look for more than whether it satisfies all the criteria, which can be interpreted minimally, and consider the broader scope of the article, and the series it belongs to. This means interpreting "well written" and "NPOV" as something that isn't a strain to read through (not something you might not want to read because you want to use your time for something else) and not focus entirely on how great a character is.
 * If it's #2, a DL should vote based on how well it fits the criteria. If it's long, looks like it fits the MOS, and has a nice, 200 word intro, it may be showcased on the Main Page.
 * If it's #3, look for the nicest looking articles. Look for the ones that are clearly professional and have some nice images. Focus on formatting, look at the layout. You don't even need to read it.
 * 4 seems to be the common subconscious interpretation of every user who tries to make FAs. This isn't necessarily bad; it drives users to taking the creation of good articles seriously. From a DL's point of view, it makes it harder to be unbias, because I have a lot of respect, even friendship, with a lot of Star Wars Fanon users, and find that when someone has put a lot of work into an article, any negative review is taken personally and the user may get the wrong idea (recalls CurrentBigThing's reaction to my note of how a couple of his articles were, if not a crossover, a cheap copy of Yu-Gi-Oh!).w