Thread:Sebolto/@comment-36984184-20180922145654/@comment-36984184-20180922180725

Truth be told Writing in small paragraphs isn't really my style... Maybe I'm losing some information by shortening my responses so I'll respond in full the way I normally would..

The Issue

The issue in question was about the updating of grammar of the page as located here. This issue has been completely resolved, I don't know how you personally do things, or how things are done on this portion of fandom specifically but in my experience Admins, and staff in general are only to be bothered whenever there is an actual issue, what's happening right now isn't an issue, at worst it's a common disagreement, something that can be settled exterior to the staff, and hasn't escalated past that point... there is no name calling, caps raging or anything else which could be considered Agressive. This is an exchange of opinions at the moment, so I really don't see a point in calling any form of staff.

The Current subject

The current subject is about the terminology used in the prior mentioned 56th Order Battalion page here , Specifically it's about the word "Fired" as located in the context of: "These clones have been fired by Darth Vader and some of them died by the 501st"

Your opinion on the current subject

Now from what I understand your opinion is that you personally consider changing the term "Fired" in any capacity to be infringing on the editing policy here, most likely due to the phrasing of "You may not add, remove, or change story details from a page you did not create unless you have permission."

My Initial Opinion

My Initial opinion was that due to the context given by: "some say some of them ran off, and some became Rebels, some of them joined the Empire" we know that they did Betray the empire to some extent, we also know some of them joined the empire. So whenever you asked me earlier "Unless we are to assume that these traitors managed to sneak back into the military after Order 66, how could members of a battalion officially branded traitors fight for the successor state of the government that gave them this designation in the first place?" It comes across that you didn't read the original profile which literally states "some say some of them ran off, and some became Rebels, some of them joined the Empire" After saying "some of them died by the 501st" In other words the author explicitly states they clashed with a legion which we know joined the Empire, and was lead by the Sith Darth Vader. We also know the definition of "Fired" as used in this context is dismiss (an employee) from a job. As Defined here, here, and here So it's not unsupported conjecture that the 56th order battalion was in some format dismissed, especially whenever the author straight out says this, and that gains a traitorous undertone whenever detail is also given by the author about how they fought the emperor whenever they lost troops to the 501st legion.

My Current Opinion

I understand what you're saying about playing it safe, this whole scenario basically borders on a gray area until the Author returns. there's no definitive answers as to what the intent of the phrasing was, or what what was trying to be said with that phrasing, so I can see why you'd want to be careful with such a... Polarising term such as "Traitor" if used incorrectly it could paint the 95th order battalion in a light which the author could be annoyed about upon return. So I recommended a middle ground. You had said " "Fired" in context could mean any number of things to the author & may not necessary mean they were declared traitors" And the main thing I was trying to achieve was to limit confusion in those reading the page, So the best way to reach a middle ground is to use a term which is more fitting in that context, and synonymous with Dismissed which is the meaning conveyed by the use of "Fired" in that context, I recommended 'Discontinued' because it's a neutral term. it carries the same meaning as 'Fired' does and that's it, it doesn't make a comment on the fates of the 95th Order Battalion. And because the meaning is synonymous changing 'fired' to 'discontinued' doesn't edit or change the story in any way, meaning that it falls perfectly into the allowed conduct as stated in the Editing Policy as found here Or if you don't want to read the policy again here:

Permissible Edits:

If you do not have permission to edit another user’s page, the only edits you are allowed to make are as follows:

2. Correcting Spelling

3. Correcting Grammar

Grammar defined as: "the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics." As Defined here, here , and here

And what you're finding issue with here is me wanting to change a word in a sentence to another which means the same thing, but allows the sentence to flow more freely, In other words the Syntax of the sentance, and as you can see Syntax is included in Grammar, Syntax Defined as "the arrangement of words and phrases to create well-formed sentences in a language." As defined here, here , and here. ​​​​​​

In Conclusion

You say you want to play it safe, that's a fair way to think, and in gray areas such as this it's usually the best way to be. However the Editing policy is very clear on this, and so long as I don't change the meaning of the word or the context of the sentence It counts under Syntax/Grammar, and not adding/removing or changing story details. Once more since Fired, and Discontinued are synonymous I'm not changing the meaning of the word or sentence, I'm not changing the context either. Discontinued literally just means "Was brought to an end" or "Ended" although if you want the full definition: "cease from doing or providing (something), especially something that has been provided on a regular basis." As defined here, here , and here

In other words this word is synonymous with what the author wrote, and only improves the Syntax/Grammar, It is explicitely stated by the editing policy that this is fine.