Forum:Project storyline

Star Wars Fanon &gt; Project Force Wars &gt; 

So the first thing we're going to want to do is develop the storyline for the project. To do that, I think we need to do the following things in this order:


 * 1) Develop Tython. Since this war was fought just on Tython (as far as we know), we're going to need to flesh that out and really detail this planet beyond the minimal amount of canon information there is on the world. We need this to maintain consistency as well. I suggest this be our first featured article too.
 * 2) Develop the backstory. We need to come up with the information about those first people coming to Tython and the eventual seduction of many of them to the dark side.
 * 3) Determine the groups (the amount of groups/factions needs to remain small, IMO) that are on Tython and that will eventually participate in the war.
 * 4) Develop the beliefs of these organizations. They can't be Jedi and Sith carbon copies, IMO.

Once we know that stuff, we can begin work on the actual war. It's going to be a bit of work to get that point, though. Strap yourselves in! It'll be a fun ride! See here for an archive. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 06:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

2. Backstory
I think we should wait for Rhea on this part, though you may start brainstorming in your head if you'd like. -- (Conference Room)  17:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that the Chatos Academy and the Followers of Palawa were even on Tython, no matter what "our" page says. Wookieepedia mentions the Dai Bendu, though.. Antonstaen (Talk) 18:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * The history of the states that three organizations predated the Jedi Order: the, the  and the . I think out of anything, we should at least start with these guys.-- Josh Bender Talk 18:02, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this is fanon. We can create our own factions, I beleive, based off of these three. There is no Jedi or Sith yet. We get to show how the Jedi and Sith started and combated against one another in our own words. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  18:10, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * "..and consisted of monks dedicated to non-confrontation and the study of numerology. The Bendu monks believed that the the number eight represented the unification of the galaxy by the Force.." Don't sound very fitting for the Force Wars.~One of several "light" factions, perhaps? Antonstaen (Talk) 18:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone please keep in mind that this section is about the backstory, not the factions themselves. Anyways, IMO, we need only about 3-4 factions max.-- (Conference Room)  18:16, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay then, backstory. This brings me to what, in my opinion, sounds like a problem. "We need to come up with the information about those first people coming to Tython and the eventual seduction of many of them to the dark side." The gathering of people to research and discuss the Force on Tython began... about 10.000 years before the Force Wars. They're not new there. Antonstaen (Talk) 18:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe Mr. Rhea meant about the first ships that came to Tython, and the people on them. As well, what is specific made them turn to the dark side. We can't just say "oh they wanted to be badass". That won't really work. We need to say something that details the specific start of their rebellion against the Masters' teachings. I myself already have a few ideas. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  18:24, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you mind revealing a few of your idea? My imagination feels awfully blank at the moment. Antonstaen (Talk) 18:33, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wylind's Suggestion: A small group (several) of Jedi apprentices have some sort of accident (break a rule; kill someone/something; steal) and flee to a secluded part of Tython. They begin to think they don't need the Order they were in, and decide to create their own order/faction. They begin to kidnap and seduce other members of the "light side faction", and eventually after 2-3 years the "light side faction" dispatches a couple Masters to find the "dark side faction". The founding members of the dark side faction kill the Masters, thus beginning the war. -- (Conference Room)  18:41, September 8, 2009 (UTC) I like Unit's idea. New philosophy (etc.) - Fierce debates - Conflict. Antonstaen (Talk) 18:55, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Or maybe some teacher guy starts to exposit a new philosophy on the Force, starting debates and so on. Eventually, more and more begin to group arond this philosophy, which is essentially hedoism, as opposed to the utilitarianism of the others. The Jedi-types don't like this, and eventually the two sides begin to get heated until people on both start advocating violence against the other. Eventually, the Sith-types may try and launch an assassination attempt on the Jedi-types leaders or something, sparking a war. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also a good idea. I believe our answer will come from a combination of multiple suggestions, thoughts, and drafts from a couple of us. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  18:52, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Michaeldsuarez's suggestion: We've already established that the light-sided-ness of Tython was influenced by its calm climate and vegetation, so perhaps we should have a shift in the climate causes people to fall to the dark side. Climate change has resulted in wars and such in the past and present (ie. Darfur Conflict). We could have a pre-Jedi enclave built near a lagoon that really the remains of a volcano, and have that once-inactive volcano explode, causing a regional (or planet-wide) catastrope. There would be crop failures, earthquakes, and people migrating and bumping into unknown cultures. Due to the migrations, different philosophies and viewpoints meet and collipse, and some Force-users fall to the dark side. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet another good idea. I think we should now wait and hear what Rhea has to say (since he is a very talented editor and writer), then we'll toss around some more ideas and brainstorm. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  19:03, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Such an event would have them more united, IMO. Besides, for a catastrophe to fully affect an entire planet, the planet and the people wouldn't be in any state for a war. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:04, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ya I say wait for Brandon on the forceusers. Meanwhile, I think a mercanary/bounty hunter or pirate group should also be involved (like Mandalorian/Trandoshans of later years). Thoughts? Ty294 {Talk}  19:16, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree about the mercenary theme. It could be some sort of mercenary guild or something, and both the dark-siders and light-siders could employ them to aid them in the conflict. However, we're still talking about the backstory, not the factions themselves. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  19:18, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Good names for the oceans and seas you guys. I like them. As for the backstory, I don’t like the climate change idea at all. It makes it seem like we’re making a cheap political statement, emphasis on cheap. Besides, do we really want to attribute the first Dark Jedi, and therefore the precursors to the Sith, to global warming? I don’t know about you, but that’s not a very good storyline. Very epic meh considering what this seduction to the dark side will ultimately lead to thousands of years down the road.

So here’s how I see it. It was mentioned a few posts up that the Chatos Academy and the Followers of Palawa are just on our page but not Wookieepedia. Not really. There are no conclusive links, but Wookieepedia says that “Many ancient and semi-legendary organizations have been proposed to be the forerunners of the Jedi Order, including the Order of the Dai Bendu, the Followers of Palawa, and the Chatos Academy. For our purposes, I think we should establish this as fact. These were the original groups that came together.

So these three groups came together on Tython, along with all the rest of the galaxy’s “best philosophers, priests, scientists, and warriors.” I don’t think the rest of these guys should initially have been from a faction. I think over a period of a few years, maybe a few decades, these people started to talk to one another because they were becoming aware of the Force, what it was, and what it meant for those who were more attuned to it. After some time, they decide that in order to learn more they could come together on Tython. Considering it’s in the Deep Core, I think we could establish that the Force was strong on the planet, hence why they all chose to gather there.

Once they all gathered they started to learn more about the Force. What did they learn? We can establish that in more detail, since we’re just looking for broad ideas right now. Now, between this time and the beginning of the Force Wars, we have about ten thousand years. During these ten thousand years, I’d like to think of this as a “period of enlightenment,” an extremely long renaissance, if you will. It’s an explosion of new ideas, philosophies, practices, etc. At first, I think most people would have different yet similar views, similar enough to keep them working together. It’d be like modern religion. There are billions of Christians, but a lot of them have different ideas. Even within Catholicism and Protestantism there are different ideas, but they’re similar enough to keep everyone together.

Eventually, some people want to learn more about the stronger powers of the Force. These people are NOT evil. Their intentions are very good. They want to use it to further the knowledge of the Force for the benefit of everyone. That said, considering they start finding out about the dark side, called the Bogan, they get greedy, they get selfish, and they become dangerous. Canon says they are “seduced,” key word, by the Bogan. They can’t start off as evil people. They are, as it says, seduced by a power that they did not fully understand, and their noble quest for more knowledge ended up becoming their dangerous quest for more power.

Now I don’t think these guys are just going to outright attack the light siders. Something needs to happen to push them over the cliff. I think perhaps that when the light siders see the dangerous practices that these guys are following, they decide to outlaw such teachings. After all, societies ban things that they think are dangerous. Crack and personal nuclear missiles aren’t exactly at your local supermarket!

The Bogan guys, who weren’t really a true threat before, now become a threat, because they take this outlawing not to just be a condemnation of their practices but a personal condemnation of they themselves. It’s a betrayal to them, they feel outlawed, they feel like criminals. Now they want revenge, and they want to dominate the knowledge of the Force so they can practice what they want. The good guys don’t want them to do that, so then we reach an impasse. Each side has conflicting goals for dealing with the other side. What happens in situations like that? War. In this case, the Force War begins. –

Oh and by the way, I am absolutely 100% opposed to mercenaries and bounty hunters. This is a war about the Force. As Wylind said, let’s stick to the backstory. I just wanted to get that out there. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 19:21, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * [Wylind moves and stands next to Rhea] I like his idea best. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  19:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Essentially my idea, just elongated to like twenty paragraphs and a few bits added on. So, yeah. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. PS: I wasn't really talking about global warming; I was just trying to come up with a mechanism by which formerly isolated groups would migrate and bump into each other. I didn't even mention "warming". --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:33, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll let you pros decide the backstory. Brandon, whould you be opposed to individual mercs rather then factions? Ty294  {Talk}  19:40, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's not talk about that yet. - Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png (talk) 19:42, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps what would become the Jedi are very strict; this exploration in your mention, Bac, of the "stronger sides of the Force" is condemned by the Council of the time; this leads to an alienation of the "explorers", for want of a better word, heightening tensions. Otherwise, I'm fine with yours. --Darth tom  (Message me) (Contributions) 20:25, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wait, you say "otherwise" as if you're adding onto something or don't like one part, but what you said, save for elaborating on the pre-Jedi being strict, is basically the same. Or am I misunderstanding you? - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 20:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)