Forum:SH:We keep speaking of "reform" and such/record

June 27 22:52:05 	omg June 27 22:52:05 *	C3POtheD assumes TestNK is NKSCF June 27 22:52:08 	people? :o June 27 22:52:14 	this channel's not dead! :o June 27 22:52:20 	lol June 27 22:52:29 	lol June 27 22:52:30 	C3POtheD: /whois is our friend. :) June 27 22:52:31 *	TestNK quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 22:52:33 *	TestNK (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6599491dc378a5ee) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 22:52:36 	It's not dead because the meet is in 7 minutes. June 27 22:52:38 	"/msg Bob Hello" should "Hello" to whoever's using the name Bob, IIRC June 27 22:52:41 	man my computer is slow today... June 27 22:52:45 	*should send June 27 22:52:51 	Whois doesn't work on me. June 27 22:53:07 	o_O June 27 22:53:14 	/whois TestNK June 27 22:53:16 	should work. June 27 22:53:29 	If you're using CGI:IRC. Or it should work anyway. :P June 27 22:53:39 	I have an uncle who taught me how to trick that kind of thing. June 27 22:53:52 <C3POtheD>	He works for Microsoft. June 27 22:54:28 <C3POtheD>	I could pretend to be a computer from another state if I had to. June 27 22:55:27 <JM76>	anyway June 27 22:55:32 <DarthUltima>	lol June 27 22:56:10 <JM76>	well, we could meet at a different channel, if that's the problem June 27 22:56:33 <DarthUltima>	Theres a problem? June 27 22:56:52 <JM76>	.... June 27 22:57:10 *	TestNK quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 22:57:13 <C3POtheD>	NKSCF is having trouble loggin on, that's all. June 27 22:57:15 <JM76>	anywho, who saw the SW robot chicken June 27 22:57:17 <DarthUltima>	Sorry I was watching TV June 27 22:57:20 *	NK (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ba057261dd6acc5e) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 22:57:24 *	JascaDucato (i=561b3972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-bf460717ad2c7e55) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 22:57:32 <JM76>	Hey Jasca June 27 22:57:38 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 27 22:57:41 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hmm... June 27 22:57:43 <Jack_Phoenix>	ah! June 27 22:57:44 <JascaDucato>	Hey 76 June 27 22:57:46 <DarthUltima>	'ello June 27 22:57:49 <JascaDucato>	Hey Jack June 27 22:57:55 <Jack_Phoenix>	This is not #wikia, #wikimedia-tech or Albania... June 27 22:57:57 <JM76>	wow 9 people! That must be a record! June 27 22:58:01 <Jack_Phoenix>	So I'm patenting rar here! June 27 22:58:10 <Jack_Phoenix>	Say hi to Splarka if he comes here, lol. :P June 27 22:58:13 <DarthUltima>	3 mins 'till meet June 27 22:58:26 <JascaDucato>	meet? June 27 22:58:49 <DarthUltima>	Isn't this for the reform thing? June 27 22:58:53 <C3POtheD>	Yes. June 27 22:58:57 <JM76>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:We_keep_speaking_of_%22reform%22_and_such&t=20070627192122 June 27 22:59:05 <C3POtheD>	And discussing the Legacy novels :P June 27 22:59:11 <DarthUltima>	Ooooo June 27 22:59:15 <JM76>	ive read one June 27 22:59:19 <Jack_Phoenix>	I support huffing of useless articles (uncyclopedia-style!). ;) June 27 22:59:19 <C3POtheD>	COMPUTER SO SLOW June 27 22:59:23 *	NK quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 22:59:24 <DarthUltima>	I own the first 3 June 27 22:59:27 <C3POtheD>	HURRY UP, AD AWARE! June 27 22:59:41 <JM76>	haha! Dumbledore's dead! :P June 27 22:59:52 <DarthUltima>	lol he falls out a window June 27 22:59:54 <C3POtheD>	What? You spoiled book 6! June 27 23:00:03 <DarthUltima>	like everyone knows now June 27 23:00:05 <C3POtheD>	He fell off a tower, silly. June 27 23:00:13 <DarthUltima>	same thing June 27 23:00:15 <JM76>	i am a blatant walking spoiler June 27 23:00:46 <C3POtheD>	I keep getting shocked when I see someone so rudely putting stuff about Jacen's Sith name up. June 27 23:00:49 <DarthUltima>	bigest spoiler: Darth Vader is Luke's father! :O June 27 23:01:00 *	NKSCF\ (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-f40baed867596e5f) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:01:12 <C3POtheD>	Can you type now, NKSCF? June 27 23:01:52 <JM76>	i thought old Dumbly was in a mine, and fell from a bridge and into an endless abyss! Oh wait, wrong old guy... June 27 23:01:56 <DarthUltima>	isn't it time to start now? June 27 23:03:30 <JM76>	seriously, did anybody see that Star Wars Robot Chicken?! :0 June 27 23:03:52 <DarthUltima>	I was gone that day.... June 27 23:04:18 <C3POtheD>	Yeah, it's time now. June 27 23:04:27 <C3POtheD>	So who has read Sacrifice? June 27 23:04:31 <DarthUltima>	Woooo! my first meet sine path to glory! June 27 23:04:36 <DarthUltima>	since June 27 23:04:46 <C3POtheD>	(Or has snooped on Wookieepedia's articles about it) June 27 23:04:53 <JM76>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP-x1mPjRVo June 27 23:05:06 <C3POtheD>	Tell me what that video is. June 27 23:05:08 <JM76>	And I have snooped all of over Wookieepedia for every Legacy spoiler June 27 23:05:16 <JM76>	SW Robot Chicken June 27 23:05:17 <DarthUltima>	Same here June 27 23:05:23 <C3POtheD>	I can't click YouTube links without knowing the video content. June 27 23:05:23 <JM76>	there's no vulgarities or nothing June 27 23:05:32 <JM76>	its just Admiral Ackbar cereal June 27 23:05:34 <JM76>	:P June 27 23:05:43 *	NK (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-4a5075c6ed591cdb) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:05:52 *	NK quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:05:56 <C3POtheD>	C-3PO-s June 27 23:06:03 *	NKSCF\ quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:06:37 <JM76>	anyway, are we going to start the meet June 27 23:06:44 <Jack_Phoenix>	no. :P June 27 23:06:52 <JM76>	*groans* June 27 23:07:11 *	NK (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-f72bb68e0b845a47) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:07:12 *	JM76 is now known as Dark. June 27 23:07:25 *	NK quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 27 23:07:28 *	Dark is now known as Dark_Lord_76. June 27 23:07:49 <DarthUltima>	Can we start? June 27 23:07:50 *	C3POtheD quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:08:00 <JascaDucato>	back! June 27 23:08:28 *	C3POtheD (i=484b110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-d9111a4efc6d64c5) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:08:29 <Dark_Lord_76>	well, without 3PO, we can't start... June 27 23:08:31 <JascaDucato>	Yes, lets start June 27 23:08:50 <DarthUltima>	Ok about sarifice? June 27 23:08:57 <Dark_Lord_76>	I'd like to be the first to bid you all Dark Greetings! June 27 23:09:01 <Dark_Lord_76>	:P June 27 23:09:03 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 27 23:09:10 <C3POtheD>	Why do browsers have to DO that? June 27 23:09:26 <DarthUltima>	... June 27 23:09:38 <C3POtheD>	Oh, good I am here June 27 23:09:51 <C3POtheD>	I pressed BACKSPACE and it took me out of IRC June 27 23:09:52 <DarthUltima>	yay we can start! June 27 23:09:55 *	JascaDucato is now known as Darth_Abeonis. June 27 23:09:58 *	Verraeter (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-1ab20dba2aa42931) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:10:09 <Darth_Abeonis>	The Dark Lord has returned :D June 27 23:10:12 <C3POtheD>	So who knows who Jacen sacrifices? June 27 23:10:19 <Dark_Lord_76>	oh, me me me! June 27 23:10:19 <DarthUltima>	I do June 27 23:10:22 <Darth_Abeonis>	I do June 27 23:10:34 <C3POtheD>	Okay, so I don't have to worry about spoiling that. June 27 23:10:38 <Dark_Lord_76>	First he does that thing to that person, then he takes that thing for that thign June 27 23:10:49 <C3POtheD>	And we know that Lumiya's dead, right? June 27 23:10:50 <Dark_Lord_76>	then Luke does something to that person! June 27 23:10:51 <Darth_Abeonis>	lol June 27 23:11:04 <Dark_Lord_76>	0_o June 27 23:11:10 <Dark_Lord_76>	Lumiya's dead!? June 27 23:11:17 <DarthUltima>	is there anything important than happens in exile? June 27 23:11:18 <C3POtheD>	Oops. June 27 23:11:20 <Darth_Abeonis>	Don't forget that Ben says that thing to Luke, and then goes after thingy to get thingy June 27 23:11:27 <Dark_Lord_76>	jk jk June 27 23:11:38 <Dark_Lord_76>	but seriously, what does this have to do with our site again? June 27 23:11:41 <DarthUltima>	Diddn;t no that Lumiya died... June 27 23:11:58 <Darth_Abeonis>	We're all getting up to date June 27 23:12:18 <Darth_Abeonis>	DarthUltima:She didn't, we're just joking June 27 23:12:32 <Dark_Lord_76>	*reads off agenda* June 27 23:12:39 <DarthUltima>	oh lol June 27 23:12:47 <C3POtheD>	Okay, Ad-Aware is done June 27 23:12:50 <Dark_Lord_76>	Jacen is evil because he's a whiny **** June 27 23:13:00 <Dark_Lord_76>	Luke might be evil June 27 23:13:06 <DarthUltima>	amen June 27 23:13:09 <C3POtheD>	He's whiny? June 27 23:13:13 <Dark_Lord_76>	Why the kriff does this reply to SWF reform? June 27 23:13:18 <C3POtheD>	He never struck me as... whiny. June 27 23:13:18 <DarthUltima>	luke is too cool to be evil June 27 23:13:31 <Dark_Lord_76>	Whiny in the sense he can't make up his mind June 27 23:13:46 <Dark_Lord_76>	He's kinda a Anakin-rip off June 27 23:13:47 <C3POtheD>	That's the New Jedi Order you're thinking of. June 27 23:13:47 <Darth_Abeonis>	And he's sad, making up his own name June 27 23:13:55 <Dark_Lord_76>	lol, ya June 27 23:13:58 <C3POtheD>	We're talking Legacy. June 27 23:13:59 <Darth_Abeonis>	Not letting someone else give him one June 27 23:14:04 <C3POtheD>	Wedge's daughter did that. June 27 23:14:08 <Dark_Lord_76>	oh, i forgot June 27 23:14:09 <DarthUltima>	True June 27 23:14:27 *	FCSKN (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-90c994cb7c98b7c1) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:14:45 <C3POtheD>	NKSCF is getting desperate June 27 23:14:50 <Dark_Lord_76>	ya rly June 27 23:15:01 <Dark_Lord_76>	does anyone think Jacen will best Luke in combat? June 27 23:15:01 *	Verraeter quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 27 23:15:06 <C3POtheD>	Yes. June 27 23:15:09 <DarthUltima>	No way! June 27 23:15:25 <C3POtheD>	So let's go over the facts. June 27 23:15:31 <DarthUltima>	They need a way to teach Jacen a lesson June 27 23:15:42 <DarthUltima>	and getting whooped by Luke is just the way to do it June 27 23:15:52 <C3POtheD>	Jacen arrested Cal Omas and Niathal became Chief of State along with Jacen. June 27 23:16:05 <Dark_Lord_76>	yup June 27 23:16:26 <C3POtheD>	Jacen accidentally killed a bounty hunter he thought posed a threat to the Galactic Alliance. June 27 23:16:40 <Dark_Lord_76>	I'm assuming that Boba's kid? June 27 23:16:41 <DarthUltima>	uh huh June 27 23:17:11 *	GeneralGrham (i=484a641c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-b7aa0a7e2f321f11) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:17:36 <Dark_Lord_76>	continue, 3PO June 27 23:17:45 <DarthUltima>	sup June 27 23:17:48 <Darth_Abeonis>	He didn't accidentally kill her tbh June 27 23:17:59 <C3POtheD>	Jacen accepted becoming head of the Gallactic Alliance Guard, and in doing so relocated many Corellians for the sake of galactic security. June 27 23:18:16 <Dark_Lord_76>	yes June 27 23:18:27 <C3POtheD>	It was an accident, Abeonis. He wanted to interrogate her, not kill her. June 27 23:19:05 <Dark_Lord_76>	*starts to spin around at the pace this meeting is going* :P June 27 23:19:28 *	FCSKN quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:19:49 <Darth_Abeonis>	Well thats unintentional then, but not accidental imho June 27 23:19:57 <C3POtheD>	Jacen collaborated with Lumiya on various occasions, and set her up to fight Luke in order to test her intentions. June 27 23:19:58 <DarthUltima>	Um anything else? June 27 23:20:27 <Dark_Lord_76>	Well, Jacen duels that one person... June 27 23:20:35 <Jack_Phoenix>	o.o June 27 23:20:37 <Jack_Phoenix>	Boring. June 27 23:20:54 <Jack_Phoenix>	When are we gonna focus on something else than some novel that's not for sale in here? :P June 27 23:20:56 <Darth_Abeonis>	Can we say that persons name? June 27 23:21:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	Darth_Abeonis: lol @ http://swfanon.wikia.com/index.php?title=Star_Wars_Fanon:Administrators&curid=11437&diff=278969&oldid=278712 :P June 27 23:21:23 <Dark_Lord_76>	I rofl June 27 23:21:24 <DarthUltima>	sure June 27 23:21:30 <C3POtheD>	Jacen, with the misunderstanding that his parents were trying to assassinate his lover and child and that they were an enemy of the Galactic Alliance, ordered his Star Destroyer to fire on the Millennium Falcon June 27 23:21:44 *	DarthUltima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-622c4bb8e00a82dd) left channel #swfanon. June 27 23:21:47 *	Darth_Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-349337da65ee6d98) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:22:03 <C3POtheD>	That's all evil, right? June 27 23:22:10 <Dark_Lord_76>	yes... June 27 23:22:27 *	AfterThisTryImGo (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-3377218c29bc9d63) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:22:37 <Dark_Lord_76>	are we going to leave out the fact the only reason he could beat that person in a duel was through cowardice? June 27 23:22:51 *	C3POtheD is annoyed by the lag. June 27 23:23:21 <C3POtheD>	IS it all evil? June 27 23:23:22 *	AfterThisTryImGo quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:23:27 <Darth_Abeonis>	Not particularly, if he wanted to, the Anakin Solo could've destroyed the Falcon June 27 23:23:39 <C3POtheD>	Which person is Dark Lord referring to? June 27 23:23:50 <Dark_Lord_76>	Mara June 27 23:24:16 *	Darth_Ultima quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:24:38 *	Dark_Lord_76 is now known as JM76. June 27 23:25:15 <Jack_Phoenix>	anybody object if I close http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Fanon:Deletion_page/Cheap_StarWars_Teh_Movie%21 and huff that junk page? June 27 23:25:26 <C3POtheD>	If you put it that way, it was Mara who fled to the caves, set those traps, and all that. June 27 23:25:57 <JM76>	but Jacen, instead of accepting defeat, used an image of her kid as a distraction, giving him the chance to kill her June 27 23:26:00 <C3POtheD>	Jacen was really working for justice when he arrested Omas. June 27 23:26:15 <JM76>	his view of Justice June 27 23:26:19 <C3POtheD>	WHOA! HUGE lag! June 27 23:26:30 <Jack_Phoenix>	No lag here.;) June 27 23:26:40 <JM76>	same here June 27 23:27:06 *	GeneralGrham (i=484a641c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-b7aa0a7e2f321f11) left channel #swfanon. June 27 23:27:19 <C3POtheD>	No, Cal was wrong to turn a blind eye to a supposed assassination of Jacen. June 27 23:27:22 <Darth_Abeonis>	HUGE HUGE lag here June 27 23:27:32 <C3POtheD>	My "system idle process" demands my full computer's attention. June 27 23:27:35 <JM76>	because from his point of view the Jedi are evil, Corellia is evil, and the Galactic Alliance must be rebuilt under his iron fist to restore order to the Galaxy June 27 23:27:45 <Darth_Abeonis>	C3POtheD: Have I got SysOps powers yet? June 27 23:27:59 <C3POtheD>	Not yet. June 27 23:28:23 *	Xepeyon (i=4aa7aad7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-188362aea4b48085) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:28:30 <Darth_Abeonis>	OK June 27 23:28:48 <Darth_Abeonis>	Anybody object to the new logo? http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Fanon:Administrators June 27 23:28:54 *	Xepeyon quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:29:05 <JM76>	that amuses me to such an extent I almost fell of my chair laughing June 27 23:29:06 <C3POtheD>	Cal was allowing the pleasure of a policital adversary take place over the life of one of his subordinates. June 27 23:29:39 <JM76>	well, you know, they only say so much on Wookieepedia... June 27 23:29:54 <Darth_Abeonis>	lol at JM76 June 27 23:30:34 <JM76>	now that we are all up to date on our latest Sacrifice spoilers, may we continue? June 27 23:30:43 <Jack_Phoenix>	about time. :P June 27 23:30:53 *	Jack_Phoenix doesn't care about Sacrifice June 27 23:31:29 <Darth_Abeonis>	Yes, lets continue June 27 23:31:34 <Darth_Abeonis>	On to Inferno!!! June 27 23:31:37 *	Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-4c3f9da2ee8e7ea9) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:31:44 <JM76>	*groans* June 27 23:31:50 <JM76>	Inferno's a nice name though June 27 23:31:51 <C3POtheD>	Everything Jacen did that was supposedly evil was actually supportive of the Jedi values. He strived to make his own pleasure not be the motive to his work, and to think of others first. June 27 23:31:53 <Ultima>	OMG laggg June 27 23:31:57 <Jack_Phoenix>	no lag. June 27 23:32:02 <JM76>	no laggy June 27 23:32:03 <Jack_Phoenix>	if you use a good IRC client. ;) June 27 23:32:06 <Ineedaname>	CGI:IRC always lags June 27 23:32:07 <Jack_Phoenix>	no using CGI:IRC. ,) June 27 23:32:10 <Jack_Phoenix>	*;) June 27 23:32:15 <JM76>	chatZilla here! June 27 23:32:22 <Jack_Phoenix>	XChat here :) June 27 23:32:26 <Ultima>	*Sighs* June 27 23:32:42 <JM76>	if you look at it that way June 27 23:32:52 *	C3POtheD quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:32:52 *	Ultima quit (Remote closed the connection). June 27 23:32:54 *	Darth_Abeonis quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 27 23:33:01 <JM76>	wow!? :) June 27 23:33:05 <JM76>	:O June 27 23:33:06 <Jack_Phoenix>	netsplit? o.o June 27 23:33:10 <JM76>	ya rly?! June 27 23:33:26 <JM76>	o.0 June 27 23:33:28 *	Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6cbec9684f1cbf29) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:33:48 <Ultima>	funally! June 27 23:33:49 <JM76>	excuse my French, but WTF was that? June 27 23:33:52 <Ultima>	finally! June 27 23:34:04 <Ultima>	no more lags! June 27 23:34:14 <Ultima>	*does a victory dance* June 27 23:34:32 <JM76>	i think you just killed everybody that was logged into #swfanon... June 27 23:34:35 <Ultima>	so where is everyone? June 27 23:35:07 *	JM76 is now known as JM76|waiting. June 27 23:35:17 <Ineedaname>	CGI:IRC must've broke again or something June 27 23:35:24 <JM76|waiting>	*sighs* June 27 23:35:52 <JM76|waiting>	Oh Phoenix, I probably asked you already, but how do you become an Operator in the iRC? June 27 23:36:02 <Ultima>	wow this stinks June 27 23:36:03 <Jack_Phoenix>	JM76: an op here? June 27 23:36:29 <JM76|waiting>	ya, like the ability to boot, remove somebody from an iRC June 27 23:36:41 <Jack_Phoenix>	wait a moment, please. :) June 27 23:36:48 <JM76|waiting>	sure... June 27 23:37:09 *	JM76|waiting is now known as JM76. June 27 23:37:55 <Jack_Phoenix>	To be added into the access list, you need to bug someone who can add you. by doing the command /chanserv access #swfanon list, you can find out who has access. June 27 23:38:12 <Jack_Phoenix>	Apparently GHe and Whopper have level 10 access, Splarka has 29 and Angela has 30. June 27 23:38:25 <Jack_Phoenix>	Angela is also the channel contact and she's online. June 27 23:38:30 <Jack_Phoenix>	So you can ask her. :) June 27 23:38:34 <JM76>	and how do you find this out? June 27 23:38:40 <Ultima>	so what happened to everyone? June 27 23:38:56 <Jack_Phoenix>	JM76: /chanserv access #swfanon list June 27 23:40:09 <JM76>	k June 27 23:40:24 *	Darth_Abeonis (i=561b3972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-fc0db7d613d6978f) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:40:44 <Darth_Abeonis>	Ok, i'm allowed back on now June 27 23:40:48 <Jack_Phoenix>	Wb. :) June 27 23:40:53 <JM76>	what happened? June 27 23:41:00 <Darth_Abeonis>	Got dc'd June 27 23:41:40 <JM76>	apparently, so did 3 other people, including 3PO June 27 23:42:11 <Darth_Abeonis>	I think CGI:IRC is playing up June 27 23:42:16 <Jack_Phoenix>	as usual. :P June 27 23:42:19 <Jack_Phoenix>	It's so lame. June 27 23:42:27 <Ultima>	maeby I should change.... June 27 23:42:31 *	JM76 is now known as Dark_Lord_76. June 27 23:42:38 *	C3POtheD (i=484b110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-9477a8a59e9532a1) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:42:45 <Darth_Abeonis>	I wish i could, but this isn't my computer :( June 27 23:42:55 <C3POtheD>	Could what? June 27 23:43:09 <Darth_Abeonis>	Switch from CGI:IRC June 27 23:44:25 <Dark_Lord_76>	thanks for abandoning us to boredum 3PO. June 27 23:44:37 *	Simeon (n=chatzill@pool-72-75-17-10.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined channel #swfanon. June 27 23:44:40 <Darth_Abeonis>	what happened whilst we were away? June 27 23:44:53 *	Darth_Abeonis celebrates that lag is gone June 27 23:45:03 *	Simeon quit (Client Quit). June 27 23:45:09 <Ultima>	a bunch of waiting.... June 27 23:45:27 <Dark_Lord_76>	absolutely nothing June 27 23:45:39 <C3POtheD>	I didn't abandon, my CPU abandoned ME June 27 23:45:48 <C3POtheD>	I have NO CLUE what happened. June 27 23:46:07 <Ultima>	CGI:IRC my computer all abandoned me.... June 27 23:46:07 <Dark_Lord_76>	so in turn, your CPU abandoned all of us. June 27 23:46:23 <C3POtheD>	And in turn, Microsoft has doomed us all June 27 23:46:36 *	C3POtheD switches to a Mac June 27 23:46:42 <Dark_Lord_76>	AMEN! June 27 23:47:00 <C3POtheD>	Okay, now let's review what Looke, I mean Luke, does. June 27 23:47:07 <C3POtheD>	And Mara and even Ben June 27 23:47:28 <Ultima>	Luke does nothing really.... June 27 23:47:29 <Dark_Lord_76>	*groans and goes off into a corner* June 27 23:47:50 <Darth_Abeonis>	Well, looks like he pays a visit to Kashyyyk in Inferno June 27 23:48:08 <C3POtheD>	Luke does a lot, actually June 27 23:48:17 <Ultima>	he fights Lumiya June 27 23:48:27 <Ultima>	thats all I can recall June 27 23:48:36 <C3POtheD>	Luke's attatchment to Mara and Ben has led him to do evil things. June 27 23:49:02 <Ultima>	Like.... June 27 23:49:07 <C3POtheD>	Like restrict Ben's unofficial apprenticeship to Jacen June 27 23:49:16 <C3POtheD>	Kill Lumiya, June 27 23:49:18 <Dark_Lord_76>	because Jacen is a Sith, duh June 27 23:49:31 <Dark_Lord_76>	i wouldn't want my kid being a Padawan to a Sith-to-be June 27 23:49:32 <C3POtheD>	Luke didn't KNOW Jacen was a Sith June 27 23:49:45 <Dark_Lord_76>	and that's the thing, isn't. June 27 23:49:54 <Ultima>	How is restricting Ben evil June 27 23:49:56 <Dark_Lord_76>	but he knows he's become Chief-of-State, ya? June 27 23:49:59 <C3POtheD>	He was just uncomfortable with the new power Jacen was obtaining. June 27 23:50:15 <C3POtheD>	Cal Omas became Chief of State, was HE a Sith? June 27 23:50:17 <Ultima>	ya and he didn't want Ben involved in it June 27 23:50:28 <Ultima>	Mabey.... June 27 23:50:33 <C3POtheD>	And that is his assertiveness over Ben's freedom June 27 23:51:01 <C3POtheD>	The Sith Meditation Sphere recognizes darkness in Mara and Ben both. June 27 23:51:09 <Ultima>	but isn't it for the better? June 27 23:51:15 <C3POtheD>	It even confuses Mara with Lumiya. June 27 23:51:34 <C3POtheD>	They were both Emperor's Hands, but didn't they both change drastically? June 27 23:51:35 <Ultima>	why is everyone becomeing dark all of a sudden? June 27 23:51:38 <C3POtheD>	Unless... June 27 23:51:45 <C3POtheD>	Mara changed back. June 27 23:51:58 <Darth_Abeonis>	Mara was a Dark jedi when Luke met her June 27 23:52:20 <Darth_Abeonis>	And Ben was removed from Jacen's care because Luke was worried about Jacen's worsening aura June 27 23:52:31 <C3POtheD>	Mara decided to kill Jacen for the same reasons that Jacen decided to fire on his father. June 27 23:52:37 <Ultima>	mara was technically a dark jedi June 27 23:52:41 <Dark_Lord_76>	is this somekind of coversation about whether Jacen is evil, or the Jedi Order is evil? June 27 23:52:51 <Ultima>	kinda bothj June 27 23:52:54 <Ultima>	both June 27 23:53:10 <Ultima>	so what about all that reform talk? Thats important June 27 23:53:21 <C3POtheD>	I'm not talking about Jedi Orders, here. I'm talking about Luke. I have no doubt about the pure will of Kyp Durron. June 27 23:53:28 <Dark_Lord_76>	Don't you think that if Luke, Ben, and Mara were getting Dark side powers June 27 23:53:38 <Dark_Lord_76>	or KYLE KATARN!!! June 27 23:53:40 <Dark_Lord_76>	:P June 27 23:53:50 <Darth_Abeonis>	NO! Kyle will never turn to Darkness June 27 23:54:15 <Dark_Lord_76>	that the rest of the Order would sense it, especially since Luke is the most powerful June 27 23:54:15 <C3POtheD>	Mara is following the path of Anakin Skywalker, where attatchment leads to jealousy, as her attatchment to Ben drove her to hate her nephew. June 27 23:54:34 <Dark_Lord_76>	*points towards Jacen* June 27 23:54:42 <C3POtheD>	Jacen follows the opposite path; to let go of everything he fears to lose. June 27 23:54:56 <Dark_Lord_76>	and by Kyle Katarn, I meant that he has a pure will, like Duron June 27 23:55:07 <C3POtheD>	But Jacen is evil. Why is that? June 27 23:55:12 <Dark_Lord_76>	even his kid and wife? June 27 23:55:17 <Ultima>	no not them June 27 23:55:27 <Ultima>	they don't know half of whats going on June 27 23:55:32 <Dark_Lord_76>	then he's not letting go of everything, is he June 27 23:56:02 <C3POtheD>	He already has let go of his child and his lover. June 27 23:56:09 <Dark_Lord_76>	there is a reason that romantic involvements were forbidden in the Old Order, and this is probably why. June 27 23:56:18 <Dark_Lord_76>	I'm pretty sure he hasn't June 27 23:56:33 <C3POtheD>	They can only be together fleetingly, and now that Jacen is Chief of State, the occasions in which the visit may cease. June 27 23:56:46 <Dark_Lord_76>	but they are still together, nonetheless June 27 23:56:55 <Dark_Lord_76>	and I doubt that they will see each other less. June 27 23:57:04 <Dark_Lord_76>	Once Luke and his parents are gone, whats the harm? June 27 23:57:09 <Ultima>	that dosen't mean he has let go of her yet June 27 23:57:43 <C3POtheD>	But Jacen will soon have to let the galaxy know what he did to Mara, no? June 27 23:57:55 <Dark_Lord_76>	killed her, yup June 27 23:58:03 <Ultima>	well mara left her body sooo..... June 27 23:58:07 <C3POtheD>	What would Tenel Ka say then? June 27 23:58:37 <Darth_Abeonis>	Qui-Gon left his body, remember June 27 23:58:38 <Dark_Lord_76>	that "You're not the man I fell in love with" chessy Padme style! June 27 23:59:02 <Ultima>	but it gives proof to her family that Jacen was her killer June 27 23:59:17 <Ultima>	it's obvious that his family will tell someone June 27 23:59:37 <Dark_Lord_76>	i find the Legacy series very depressing, its exactly the same as the PT June 27 23:59:42 <Dark_Lord_76>	(prequel trilogy) June 27 23:59:43 <C3POtheD>	Mara did not become discorporeal because SHE WAS NOT EMBRACING PURITY OF LIGHT. She was the Emperor's Hand again, assassinating anyone without a thought of better alternatives who she felt might threaten who she loved. June 27 23:59:44 <Ultima>	Tenel Ka will eventually find out on her own June 27 23:59:55 <C3POtheD>	They aren't the same as the Prequels, no. June 28 00:00:25 <Ultima>	I guess thats a good way to put it June 28 00:00:25 <C3POtheD>	They try to LOOK like the Prequels, and then twist to show that it was Luke who was becoming selfish and dark. June 28 00:00:29 <Dark_Lord_76>	so how did she become discorporeal then. June 28 00:00:38 <C3POtheD>	She didn't. June 28 00:00:50 <Darth_Abeonis>	AHH! too many things to do lol June 28 00:00:51 <Dark_Lord_76>	then why is she in Legacy June 28 00:01:00 <Dark_Lord_76>	(comics) June 28 00:01:01 <Ultima>	Cade was halluecinationg June 28 00:01:08 <Ultima>	(excuse the spelling) June 28 00:01:11 <Dark_Lord_76>	how did he know of her existance in the first place June 28 00:01:15 <C3POtheD>	Just like Jacen was when he say Anakin June 28 00:01:35 <C3POtheD>	:saw June 28 00:01:36 <Dark_Lord_76>	Cade doesn't look like the type that delves into his family history... June 28 00:01:46 <Ultima>	Are we going to talk about reform afterwards? June 28 00:01:52 <C3POtheD>	The Legacy comics are a disgrace, okay? June 28 00:01:56 <Dark_Lord_76>	you can't hallucinate what you have never seen June 28 00:02:07 <Ultima>	Well the apparation was drug induced.... June 28 00:02:10 <C3POtheD>	I'll just spit out Jacen's problem. June 28 00:02:15 <C3POtheD>	Pride. June 28 00:02:25 <Ultima>	amen to the max June 28 00:02:26 <Dark_Lord_76>	. June 28 00:02:35 <Darth_Abeonis>	Erm, yes, reforms? June 28 00:02:47 <Dark_Lord_76>	he's not exactly selfless either, but let's not get off on a tangent June 28 00:03:09 <C3POtheD>	Jacen had no right to think he was the judge of who came first, and he was too proud of his actually limited knowledge when he, say, ordered his awesome SSD to fire on his dad. June 28 00:03:13 <Ultima>	the splitting image of Anakin.... June 28 00:03:42 <Dark_Lord_76>	then he named that SSD after his dead bro, despicable... June 28 00:04:03 <Dark_Lord_76>	''Wonders what Jack is doing..." June 28 00:04:04 <C3POtheD>	It was an honor for Anakin to have a whole SSD named after him. June 28 00:04:06 <Ultima>	I never really liked Jacen anyway... June 28 00:04:23 <Dark_Lord_76>	-hums to himself and waits for the part about reforms- June 28 00:04:29 <Jack_Phoenix>	what? June 28 00:04:41 <Ultima>	were were you? June 28 00:04:42 <Jack_Phoenix>	i'll be back soon ;) June 28 00:04:43 <Ultima>	where June 28 00:04:52 <Dark_Lord_76>	you've been awfully quiet, that's all June 28 00:04:53 *	Darth_Abeonis plays noughts & crosses with Dark_Lord_76 June 28 00:04:58 <C3POtheD>	Jacen's problem is PRIDE, as he figures it is HIS destiny to decide the fate of the galaxy, and take all the privelages and responsibilities that go with it. June 28 00:05:15 <Jack_Phoenix>	Dark_Lord_76: I'm not intrested in Sacrifice. ;) June 28 00:05:24 <Dark_Lord_76>	i realized that June 28 00:05:30 <Ultima>	Thats a good point June 28 00:05:31 <C3POtheD>	So what's CurrentBigThing's problem? June 28 00:05:43 <Ultima>	huh? June 28 00:05:52 <Dark_Lord_76>	oh, so THAT'S WHERE THIS WAS GOING! :) June 28 00:06:05 <Ultima>	he dosent have a problem June 28 00:06:06 <Dark_Lord_76>	*groans at his ignorance* June 28 00:06:41 <C3POtheD>	So, answer the question. June 28 00:06:54 <Darth_Abeonis>	What do people think? http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Cabal June 28 00:07:01 <Ultima>	what problem are you talking about? June 28 00:07:39 <Dark_Lord_76>	um, pride? June 28 00:07:54 <Dark_Lord_76>	i noticed Abeonis. Nice. June 28 00:08:09 <Darth_Abeonis>	Thanks June 28 00:08:18 <Ultima>	I don't think he's pridefull June 28 00:08:28 <C3POtheD>	Cabal... where did that image come from. That scared the whatevers out of me. June 28 00:08:40 <Jack_Phoenix>	There Is No Public Cabal! June 28 00:08:52 <C3POtheD>	No, CurrentBigThing isn't really proud. June 28 00:08:57 <Dark_Lord_76>	its just a disembodied head 3PO :D June 28 00:09:06 <C3POtheD>	Exactly June 28 00:09:30 <Ultima>	*slaps himself for clicking the link* June 28 00:09:30 <Dark_Lord_76>	alright, what's his problem, seeing how nobody else's going to guess... June 28 00:09:50 *	C3POtheD quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 00:10:01 <Darth_Abeonis>	guess what? June 28 00:10:03 <Dark_Lord_76>	ARGH! June 28 00:10:10 <Dark_Lord_76>	CBT's 'problem' June 28 00:10:25 *	C3POtheD (i=484b110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-13717fea2a1a5cc7) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:10:34 <Ultima>	well he's um, uh.. June 28 00:10:46 <C3POtheD>	Why was I just disconnected? June 28 00:10:50 <Dark_Lord_76>	no clue June 28 00:10:55 <Darth_Abeonis>	Big-headed? June 28 00:10:56 <Ultima>	*ponders over whether to say harsh or not* June 28 00:11:27 <C3POtheD>	No, CurrentBigThing's problem is borderline pride. June 28 00:11:36 <Ultima>	How is it pride... June 28 00:11:46 <Dark_Lord_76>	*Googles borderline pride*... June 28 00:11:49 <Ultima>	He just wants to make things better June 28 00:12:00 <Jack_Phoenix>	Indeed. :) June 28 00:12:06 <Ultima>	Like Jacen June 28 00:12:09 <Ultima>	lol June 28 00:12:11 <C3POtheD>	What is wrong with his justifications is that he claims every half-"personal attack" he makes is the truth. June 28 00:12:14 <Dark_Lord_76>	i got a gay band... June 28 00:12:38 <Ultima>	*shuts the image out of his head* June 28 00:12:47 <C3POtheD>	Jacen wants to make things better too. So do I. Working for improvement is a good thing. June 28 00:12:54 <C3POtheD>	Pride is a bad thing. June 28 00:12:58 <C3POtheD>	Biblically scorned. June 28 00:13:02 <Dark_Lord_76>	Nods his head slowly June 28 00:13:03 <C3POtheD>	In both testaments. June 28 00:13:09 <Ultima>	but he thinks he's the only one who can do it..like CBT June 28 00:13:16 <Ultima>	ohhhhhhh I see now June 28 00:13:18 <Darth_Abeonis>	If you believe in God June 28 00:13:26 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 00:13:31 <Dark_Lord_76>	Pride is a bad thing in general June 28 00:13:36 <Ultima>	Thats true June 28 00:13:38 <C3POtheD>	When is it good? June 28 00:13:57 <Dark_Lord_76>	it leads to arrogance, blind ignorace June 28 00:14:02 <Ultima>	well you could take pride in your work June 28 00:14:17 <C3POtheD>	If a father is proud of his son for getting a home run, he's misusing the word usually. That's more like GRATITIDE. June 28 00:14:18 <Ultima>	modest pride (biggest oxymoron) June 28 00:14:27 <Darth_Abeonis>	Pride leads to arrogance, arragance leads to hatred, hatred leads to suffering June 28 00:14:37 <Dark_Lord_76>	lol June 28 00:14:43 <C3POtheD>	Pride is a self-supposed state of elevation. June 28 00:14:55 <Dark_Lord_76>	Gratitude is usually a form of thankfullness, no? June 28 00:15:08 <Ultima>	well mabey it's because CBT went through some experience that made him as harsh as he is June 28 00:15:22 <Ultima>	we can't blame him if thats true June 28 00:15:52 <Darth_Abeonis>	yes, but who says it is June 28 00:15:54 <Dark_Lord_76>	We're on the part of Why the kriff does this apply to Star Wars Fanon reform?, right? June 28 00:16:04 <Darth_Abeonis>	Don't get me wrong, i like the guy, but still June 28 00:16:12 <C3POtheD>	With that, comes the subconsious supposition that the humanity of others is arbitrary. June 28 00:16:16 <Darth_Abeonis>	i don't see why people think he's 'harsh' June 28 00:16:20 <Darth_Abeonis>	is it just the language he uses? June 28 00:16:36 <Jack_Phoenix>	humm... June 28 00:16:46 <Dark_Lord_76>	he doesn't really use language (I think?) but he more just makes PAs, which in turn sparks more PAs... June 28 00:16:49 <Ultima>	there's just no other way to describe him June 28 00:16:50 <Jack_Phoenix>	I see no new user rights log entires at Special:Log/rights... June 28 00:16:54 <Ultima>	other than pround... June 28 00:17:09 <C3POtheD>	I have respect for CurrentBigThing, so if he learns I'm saying this (which I hope he does; I'll try to inform him myself), tell him I'm not trying to badmouth him. June 28 00:17:29 <Ultima>	wait..shouldn't he be banned if he does PAs? June 28 00:17:30 <Dark_Lord_76>	3PO, are you sustaining from giving out Admin powers until after this meet? June 28 00:17:46 <Dark_Lord_76>	in all honest, he assumes that because the PA is truth, it is not a PA June 28 00:17:52 <Dark_Lord_76>	*honesty* June 28 00:18:03 <Darth_Abeonis>	I agree with that actually June 28 00:18:05 *	Ataru (n=3f432f05@host112.toad-host.com) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:18:12 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hi Ataru. :) June 28 00:18:12 <Ultima>	is it his place to decide that? June 28 00:18:16 <Ataru>	Hello June 28 00:18:16 <Dark_Lord_76>	hey Atarumaster (I assume its you) June 28 00:18:23 <Ataru>	I'm sorta new, so I'll just be watching June 28 00:18:26 <Ultima>	hey June 28 00:18:28 <C3POtheD>	Some of what he said is a personal attack. June 28 00:18:29 <Ataru>	Yes, I'm Atarumaster88 June 28 00:18:33 <Dark_Lord_76>	k then June 28 00:18:40 <C3POtheD>	Take his comments about Bub, for example. June 28 00:18:43 <Ultima>	then why isn't he banned? June 28 00:18:54 <Ataru>	May I ask who is being discussed? June 28 00:19:02 <Darth_Abeonis>	CBT June 28 00:19:04 <Ataru>	Ah. June 28 00:19:08 <Ultima>	(don't take it the wrong way I don't want him to be banned) June 28 00:19:14 <C3POtheD>	Because banning an honest user for personal attacks is like saying "Be nice or else." June 28 00:19:27 <Ultima>	oh June 28 00:19:29 <Dark_Lord_76>	true June 28 00:19:41 *	Ataru has a quiet laugh about that. June 28 00:19:47 <Darth_Abeonis>	yes, very true June 28 00:20:07 <Darth_Abeonis>	*Jedi mind trick* You will be nice June 28 00:20:11 <Dark_Lord_76>	usually when CBT does a 'PA', it usually ends to rapidly to be banned anyway... June 28 00:20:18 <Ultima>	lol June 28 00:20:19 <Dark_Lord_76>	and then they kiss and make up June 28 00:20:33 <C3POtheD>	I'll ban someone on Star Wars Fanon if his purpose on the site is to make personal attacks on its users, like some vandals and trolls have. June 28 00:20:55 <Ultima>	Thats a good point June 28 00:20:57 <Darth_Abeonis>	As will I, users like CBT however have more honest intentions June 28 00:21:11 <Ataru>	If I may say so, I've banned people on Wookieepedia for arguing and making personal attacks. Established users, even June 28 00:21:21 <C3POtheD>	But CurrentBigThing is doing what he thinks is necessary to make Star Wars Fanon better, even if it means refuting parts of its community. June 28 00:21:35 <Dark_Lord_76>	no offense, Ataru, but I believe you. :D June 28 00:21:36 <Ultima>	It may not seem like it but CBT tries to help the people he criticizes June 28 00:21:49 *	SquishyVic (i=18cd9afe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-8f15a6a687ff1789) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:21:56 <Darth_Abeonis>	"You have to be harsh, to be kind" June 28 00:21:57 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hey Vic. :) June 28 00:21:58 <Dark_Lord_76>	Hey Squishy June 28 00:22:02 <Darth_Abeonis>	Hey Vic. June 28 00:22:02 <SquishyVic>	Greetings June 28 00:22:03 <Ultima>	Yay vic's here! June 28 00:22:05 <Jack_Phoenix>	:D June 28 00:22:09 <Ataru>	I've always wanted to squish vic :-P June 28 00:22:13 <Jack_Phoenix>	lol June 28 00:22:16 <Ataru>	(Nothing personal, just a joke) June 28 00:22:16 <C3POtheD>	When CurrentBigThing said that Bub was an administrator that sits idly, never voicing his opinion, he is not trying to use merit or reason to contest the oppose vote. He is reversing the attack. June 28 00:22:18 <Dark_Lord_76>	rofl June 28 00:22:21 <C3POtheD>	That's his problem. June 28 00:22:22 <SquishyVic>	lol June 28 00:22:28 <Ultima>	So is this the "reform" were going to talk about? June 28 00:22:36 <SquishyVic>	Wait a minute June 28 00:22:40 <C3POtheD>	I'm getting there. June 28 00:22:43 <SquishyVic>	What are we talking about June 28 00:22:58 <C3POtheD>	Now we're going to talk about Communism. June 28 00:23:02 <Jack_Phoenix>	o.o June 28 00:23:03 <SquishyVic>	Wow June 28 00:23:03 <Dark_Lord_76>	dang, we're still on Why the kriff does this apply to Star Wars Fanon reform? June 28 00:23:05 <Jack_Phoenix>	omgcommunism June 28 00:23:08 <Ataru>	o.O June 28 00:23:08 <Ultima>	OH boy... June 28 00:23:09 <Dark_Lord_76>	0_0 June 28 00:23:12 <SquishyVic>	What the hell June 28 00:23:15 <C3POtheD>	Just kidding. June 28 00:23:22 <Ultima>	*whew* June 28 00:23:32 <Dark_Lord_76>	whew, I put up my flame shield there June 28 00:23:33 <Jack_Phoenix>	So, let's get into the business. ;) June 28 00:23:44 <SquishyVic>	Don't bring government into this June 28 00:23:46 <C3POtheD>	Squishy Vic: did you really mean it when you said "not officially. Who ever said socialism is bad?" June 28 00:23:48 <Ultima>	reform? Yes! June 28 00:23:52 <Darth_Abeonis>	I've lost track of business now tbh lol June 28 00:23:52 <SquishyVic>	We aren't a government June 28 00:23:57 <SquishyVic>	Yeah, I did C3 June 28 00:23:57 <Jack_Phoenix>	I think we're not here to talk about Sacrifice or communism, eh? June 28 00:24:05 <C3POtheD>	What's wrong with Star Wars Fanon? June 28 00:24:24 <Dark_Lord_76>	um, do you expect a serious response, or a slightly humorous one June 28 00:24:24 <Ultima>	Disorder thats what June 28 00:24:30 <Ataru>	Some would say the third word ;-) June 28 00:24:36 <C3POtheD>	Socialism is bad. It leads to Communism. Communism is centered around not equal opportunity, but equal result. June 28 00:24:48 <C3POtheD>	Disorder. June 28 00:24:49 <C3POtheD>	It is order that Palpatine wanted. June 28 00:24:49 <Dark_Lord_76>	oh boy *starts up flame shield* June 28 00:24:52 <SquishyVic>	In your opinion June 28 00:25:05 <Jack_Phoenix>	Oh please! June 28 00:25:06 <Ataru>	SquishyVic: No, I'm fine with it. June 28 00:25:10 <Jack_Phoenix>	Enough with politics! June 28 00:25:13 <C3POtheD>	It is order that Professor Umbrige wanted. June 28 00:25:18 <Jack_Phoenix>	This is not #uncyclopedia, right? June 28 00:25:24 *	Ataru checks June 28 00:25:27 <Dark_Lord_76>	Let's not bring Harry Potter into this... June 28 00:25:31 <Ultima>	I know seriousl June 28 00:25:32 <SquishyVic>	Yeah June 28 00:25:36 <SquishyVic>	Enough with politics June 28 00:25:56 <C3POtheD>	I'm joking here. June 28 00:26:02 *	Ataru is soooooo tempted to log all of this. June 28 00:26:03 <SquishyVic>	Can we focus on the topic June 28 00:26:09 <SquishyVic>	"Reform" on Star Wars Fanon June 28 00:26:12 <Ultima>	great my lags starting again... June 28 00:26:14 <C3POtheD>	The thing is, much of what is being done with Star Wars Fanon is political. June 28 00:26:14 <Dark_Lord_76>	*JM76 agreees with Ataru* June 28 00:26:21 <Darth_Abeonis>	WHat topic? lol June 28 00:26:23 <C3POtheD>	We're supposed to log this. June 28 00:26:23 <SquishyVic>	Sure you are, but let's just stay on topic shall we June 28 00:26:28 <Darth_Abeonis>	so is mine June 28 00:26:29 <Ultima>	with voting and all June 28 00:26:39 *	Darth_Abeonis (i=561b3972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-fc0db7d613d6978f) left channel #swfanon. June 28 00:26:40 <Dark_Lord_76>	I'll log it June 28 00:26:41 <SquishyVic>	Yeah June 28 00:26:45 <SquishyVic>	We shouldn't vote June 28 00:26:50 <Jack_Phoenix>	Intresting. June 28 00:26:51 <Dark_Lord_76>	Consensus! June 28 00:26:53 <SquishyVic>	but some users can't settle any other way… June 28 00:26:59 *	Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6cbec9684f1cbf29) left channel #swfanon. June 28 00:26:59 <C3POtheD>	Then how is consensus determined? June 28 00:27:05 <Jack_Phoenix>	Today's like the first time I've used my Swedish skills in Wikia, lol. :P June 28 00:27:09 <Dark_Lord_76>	who argues the best! :P June 28 00:27:10 <Jack_Phoenix>	Consensus, huh? June 28 00:27:14 <Ataru>	Consensus can be derived from voting June 28 00:27:14 <SquishyVic>	We discuss June 28 00:27:15 <SquishyVic>	and agree June 28 00:27:17 <Jack_Phoenix>	Consensus = Jaymach June 28 00:27:20 <Ataru>	Don't make the mistake that it can't be. June 28 00:27:29 *	DUltima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-d21da53b34c36055) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:27:31 <Ataru>	*cough* Sikon *cough* June 28 00:27:35 <Dark_Lord_76>	lol June 28 00:27:37 *	Darth_Abeonis (i=561b3972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6a3aad80f3fcb515) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:27:45 <Jack_Phoenix>	Ataru: but Jaymach *is* the consensus. :P June 28 00:27:54 <SquishyVic>	:-| June 28 00:27:55 <C3POtheD>	That's what we do, the problem is we can't always agree on something. June 28 00:27:56 <Darth_Abeonis>	Back June 28 00:28:15 <Dark_Lord_76>	Can we just get on with it! June 28 00:28:15 <C3POtheD>	So should somebody MAKE us agree? June 28 00:28:17 <SquishyVic>	WHAT THE HELL June 28 00:28:18 <SquishyVic>	who added the Cabal picture to the Admin page June 28 00:28:19 <DUltima>	ahh finally June 28 00:28:22 <Dark_Lord_76>	lol June 28 00:28:25 <SquishyVic>	lol June 28 00:28:30 <Darth_Abeonis>	lol, that would be me June 28 00:28:35 <Ataru>	C3POtheD: Sounds like Anakin and Padme. Need that, I do not. June 28 00:28:40 <C3POtheD>	You just noticed? :) June 28 00:28:46 <Ataru>	Lag. June 28 00:28:47 <Dark_Lord_76>	lol, it took me a while June 28 00:28:48 <SquishyVic>	What the hell is the Cabal in the first place June 28 00:28:51 <Jack_Phoenix>	SquishyVic: I agree, there is no public Cabal. ;) June 28 00:28:59 <Dark_Lord_76>	uh huh. June 28 00:29:03 <Ataru>	This is hilarious. June 28 00:29:11 <Dark_Lord_76>	JP- Welcome to the cabal, Jasca... June 28 00:29:12 <Ataru>	And I thought Wookieepedia's Mofferences were disorganized. June 28 00:29:19 <Darth_Abeonis>	Haven't you ever played C&C? June 28 00:29:21 <Dark_Lord_76>	I've been to one of those, scary June 28 00:29:21 <SquishyVic>	Oh god June 28 00:29:22 <Darth_Abeonis>	Ataru:How come? June 28 00:29:23 <SquishyVic>	we aren't getting anywhere with this June 28 00:29:26 <Jack_Phoenix>	Dark_Lord_76: There Is No Public Cabal! June 28 00:29:31 <Ataru>	Per the Squishy One June 28 00:29:34 <Jack_Phoenix>	Don't get me started on the private ones, lol. :P June 28 00:29:40 <Dark_Lord_76>	exactly June 28 00:29:54 <Dark_Lord_76>	BACK ON TOPIC! June 28 00:29:57 <Jack_Phoenix>	To be honest... June 28 00:29:59 <C3POtheD>	Wookieepedia's Mofferences have about fifty people in them, everyone trying to speak, and about a ten minute lag. June 28 00:30:02 <SquishyVic>	I have to get ready for work in 30 minutes June 28 00:30:07 <SquishyVic>	So can we do this, please? June 28 00:30:08 <Jack_Phoenix>	There's a cabal if you want that there's one. June 28 00:30:08 <Ataru>	One of you should do what I do on the Wookiee: Take ops and kick people who are off topic June 28 00:30:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	Ataru: well... June 28 00:30:14 <Ataru>	It works like a charm ;-) June 28 00:30:20 <Jack_Phoenix>	One small problem w/ that. June 28 00:30:37 <Jack_Phoenix>	the only ones in the access list are GHe, Whopper, Splarka and Angela. ;) June 28 00:30:45 <C3POtheD>	On topic: If we switch from voting to "consensus," we need to have a way to determine consensus. June 28 00:30:50 <Ataru>	Pride of the Royal Navy, you guys ;-) June 28 00:31:00 <Darth_Abeonis>	Everyone is off topic June 28 00:31:03 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 00:31:13 <C3POtheD>	If Vic thinks the consensus is one way but Jack thinks the result is undecided, who is right? June 28 00:31:14 <Dark_Lord_76>	*sits back and watches* June 28 00:31:14 *	DUltima quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 00:31:24 <Darth_Abeonis>	ARGH! Lag, and i like the Royal Navy, i'm English btw June 28 00:31:26 *	Jack_Phoenix agrees with Vic anyway ;) June 28 00:31:49 <C3POtheD>	Okay, Bub and CurrentBigThing. June 28 00:31:54 <SquishyVic>	:-) June 28 00:31:54 <SquishyVic>	lag June 28 00:32:16 <Ataru>	Darth_Aboenis: It was a Captain Jack Sparrow reference. June 28 00:32:16 <Jack_Phoenix>	SquishyVic: get a real IRC client, i.e. XChat and you won't have lag. ;) June 28 00:32:24 <SquishyVic>	go on June 28 00:32:25 <Darth_Abeonis>	Get a beureuacrat (sp?) decision on it June 28 00:32:37 <C3POtheD>	No, they don't have a political position. June 28 00:32:44 *	Reader (i=5701394d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-9c89c5cddfe6f3df) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:32:55 <Ataru>	Consensus should be from the community June 28 00:32:58 <Darth_Abeonis>	Hello Reader June 28 00:33:00 <Ataru>	Not the admins or BCs June 28 00:33:13 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hmm... June 28 00:33:37 <C3POtheD>	How far does the community have to agree to define consensus? June 28 00:33:39 <Ataru>	Isn't that what wikis are about? Community? June 28 00:33:40 <SquishyVic>	Yes... June 28 00:33:52 *	Dark_Lord_76 is now known as JM76. June 28 00:33:57 <Ataru>	Or is your problem that you have a community with a low maturity level? June 28 00:33:59 <SquishyVic>	What was the point of this anyway in the first place, C3PO June 28 00:34:00 <C3POtheD>	Wikis are about content written by the community. June 28 00:34:01 <Ataru>	(No offense_ June 28 00:34:03 <Ataru>	) June 28 00:34:20 <SquishyVic>	Ataru is correct June 28 00:34:48 <C3POtheD>	My agenda now is to get an idea of what voting and consensus for myself and the community, and how it should be reformed. June 28 00:34:51 <SquishyVic>	We cant work together, because our lack of agreeance in most things, due to the fact taht the regular users dislike admins June 28 00:35:03 *	Dultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-cf5aaa4276f9638b) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:35:04 <SquishyVic>	Or me, specifically June 28 00:35:09 <Ataru>	And if, as you stated, the admins aren't political, then they can't entirely determine consensus. June 28 00:35:12 <C3POtheD>	That's a rather paranoid assertion, Vic. June 28 00:35:21 <SquishyVic>	Its true June 28 00:35:21 <Darth_Abeonis>	Some aren't particularly keen on me either June 28 00:35:26 <JM76>	Paranoia kills June 28 00:35:31 <SquishyVic>	Indeed June 28 00:35:40 <Ataru>	And there are people on Wookieepedia that I'm sure can't stand me as an admin over there. June 28 00:35:46 <Ataru>	What's the point? June 28 00:35:46 <Jack_Phoenix>	Face it: nobody likes admins too much. So what? It's no big deal. June 28 00:35:48 <Dultima>	What did I miss? June 28 00:36:15 <C3POtheD>	Generally, there is actually agreement when Squishy Vic proposes something. June 28 00:36:19 <JM76>	Something I found on Wookieepedia http://sweden.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/13/large/trollandsysop1.png June 28 00:36:22 <SquishyVic>	I know June 28 00:36:31 <SquishyVic>	Really C3PO? June 28 00:36:42 <Ataru>	And I hate the "word" "agreeance" June 28 00:36:45 <SquishyVic>	Ive seen a lot of flip flopping on decisions lately June 28 00:36:46 <Ataru>	It doesn't exist. June 28 00:36:49 <SquishyVic>	lol June 28 00:37:44 <JM76>	anyway June 28 00:37:54 <Ataru>	On the topic of consensus, it would be really great if you'd find some way to tell when your threads are over with June 28 00:38:05 <Ataru>	I voted on one that supposedly had already been "over" June 28 00:39:02 *	Reader quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 28 00:39:34 <JM76>	*groan* is this meeting almost over? June 28 00:39:51 *	Ataru chuckles June 28 00:40:02 <Ataru>	Barely anything has been discussed, fyi June 28 00:40:03 *	D_Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ff780ccba2fbc1c9) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:40:23 <JM76>	We've decided on absolutely nothing, and as Ataru just said, we've barely discussed what's on the Agenda June 28 00:40:36 <JM76>	Besides the Sacrifice stuff, which seemed useless enough IMO June 28 00:40:55 <Jack_Phoenix>	it was channel flooding IMHO June 28 00:41:09 <D_Ultima>	We really need to do somthing about the status of this wiki June 28 00:41:19 <Ataru>	Someone put a link about the agenda and I'll moderate June 28 00:41:20 <Ataru>	*link to the June 28 00:41:23 <D_Ultima>	i mean with all the useless pages and stuff June 28 00:41:26 <Ataru>	Keep everyone on task June 28 00:41:28 <Ataru>	Like old times June 28 00:42:02 <JM76>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:We_keep_speaking_of_%22reform%22_and_such&t=20070627213325 June 28 00:42:12 <Jack_Phoenix>	BTW, what about signature policy? June 28 00:42:23 <JM76>	I didn't enjoy that personally June 28 00:42:25 <Ataru>	Gimme a sec for it to pen June 28 00:42:30 <Ataru>	Blasted Wikia sites are slow June 28 00:42:37 <JM76>	urgh, it was like, whoever, screamed the loudest oen June 28 00:42:51 <JM76>	whoever screamed the loudest won* June 28 00:42:53 *	C3POtheDS (i=484b110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-c2c931a008df6155) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:42:57 <D_Ultima>	seriously did i miss somthing? June 28 00:43:06 <Ataru>	No June 28 00:43:07 <C3POtheDS>	Good question. June 28 00:43:17 <C3POtheDS>	I somehow froze. June 28 00:43:17 <Ataru>	Sometimes, that's the way "democracy works" June 28 00:43:23 <C3POtheDS>	How? June 28 00:43:33 <Ataru>	By people expressing their opinions and others agreeing June 28 00:43:39 <JM76>	whoever screams the loudest wins June 28 00:43:41 <Ataru>	No. June 28 00:43:45 <C3POtheDS>	No, June 28 00:43:47 <Ataru>	Whoever screams the most persuasively wins June 28 00:43:51 <D_Ultima>	Were not a government are we? June 28 00:43:55 <JM76>	not always June 28 00:44:04 <Ataru>	You can draw parallels, but let's not get off topic June 28 00:44:07 <C3POtheDS>	Not technically. June 28 00:44:17 <C3POtheDS>	But Star Wars Fanon does need to make decisions for itself. June 28 00:44:21 <Ataru>	Neither are clubs or Boy Scout troops but they have policies and such June 28 00:44:30 <C3POtheDS>	Star Wars Fanon needs to regulate mishap. June 28 00:44:35 <Ataru>	C3POtheDS: That's why I was trying not to say much in this meeting. June 28 00:44:35 <JM76>	some people will mindless follow others, and that's not necessarily charisma June 28 00:44:46 <Ataru>	Didn't want you to think that a WPedian was trying to take over June 28 00:44:58 <Ataru>	JM76: It's human nature June 28 00:45:01 <C3POtheDS>	Star Wars Fanon needs to condone good and punish evil within itself, which is what a government, according to the Bible, is meant to do. June 28 00:45:10 <Ataru>	Agreed. June 28 00:45:16 *	ffffffff (i=5701394d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-7a85e5f531682de8) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:45:17 <D_Ultima>	true June 28 00:45:28 <Ataru>	But unlike scripture, where good and evil are defined, no such definition exists for SWFanon June 28 00:45:29 <JM76>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/SWF:BP June 28 00:45:50 <C3POtheDS>	Which is exactly why I went over Jacen and Luke and all that boring stuff. June 28 00:45:54 <C3POtheDS>	And Communism. June 28 00:45:54 *	Jasca (i=561b3972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-2307ff94b5d554a8) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:45:57 <D_Ultima>	lol June 28 00:45:58 <Ataru>	Yeah, it didn't make much sense June 28 00:46:03 <Ataru>	I haven't read Sacrifice yet anyways June 28 00:46:09 <D_Ultima>	same here June 28 00:46:12 <Jasca>	Can someone kick Darth_Abeonis for me? June 28 00:46:13 <C3POtheDS>	I got it the day it came out. June 28 00:46:22 <D_Ultima>	*kick* June 28 00:46:23 <Ataru>	Jasca: You seem to forget no one has ops June 28 00:46:27 <JM76>	nobody has the powa... June 28 00:46:39 <Ataru>	Cut the Sacrifice analogies and back on topic June 28 00:46:51 <Ataru>	What type of reform if any, do you guys want to implement? June 28 00:46:57 <Ataru>	What are major issues that the admins have seen? June 28 00:47:07 <C3POtheDS>	I'm sure Squishy Vic has ideas. June 28 00:47:13 <Ataru>	Are there any things that could/should/need to be changed to make the site "better"? June 28 00:47:23 <D_Ultima>	Something that will make this wiki more clean like the wookiee June 28 00:47:25 <C3POtheDS>	Can we cite a few examples that show that we are a disorderly site? June 28 00:47:29 <Ataru>	Glaring sigs June 28 00:47:37 *	Argh (i=4b8a692f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-be4910473075eed5) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:47:38 *	Jasca is now known as Abeonis. June 28 00:47:38 <Ataru>	Over and over, I see that as a complaint on the Wookiee June 28 00:47:42 <D_Ultima>	to many nonsense figures June 28 00:47:48 <Ataru>	Nonsense is hard to define June 28 00:47:49 <Abeonis>	Well, that complaints void now June 28 00:47:59 <Ataru>	Abeonis: True. June 28 00:47:59 <Abeonis>	Not that I was to bothered beforhand June 28 00:48:12 <C3POtheDS>	In my sight, there is little to cite about this site with disorder pervasively beyone what is typical of wikis. June 28 00:48:14 <D_Ultima>	I mean like pages with one single senence June 28 00:48:31 <C3POtheDS>	That's not really disorder. June 28 00:48:37 <C3POtheDS>	Let me think of a word for it.... June 28 00:48:47 <Ataru>	C3POtheDS: If you are happy about the threads that get started that I've read, then there is no disorder June 28 00:48:50 <D_Ultima>	well a lot of them June 28 00:49:00 <Ataru>	D_Ultima: I've made single-sentence articles June 28 00:49:03 <Ataru>	They look like this: June 28 00:49:03 <D_Ultima>	plus half the users come here to vandalize June 28 00:49:09 <JM76>	half, lol June 28 00:49:10 <C3POtheDS>	What? June 28 00:49:11 <Ataru>	#REDIRECT Force Exile I June 28 00:49:19 <JM76>	which users are YOU referring to? June 28 00:49:24 <C3POtheDS>	That is SOOOOO this time 2006 June 28 00:49:33 <Ataru>	D_Ultima: That's a rather extreme accusation June 28 00:49:47 <Ataru>	I hope you have proof, lest you get laughed out of the room June 28 00:49:54 <D_Ultima>	Well there should be somthing done about it. June 28 00:49:58 <Ataru>	No June 28 00:50:00 <Ataru>	Proof first June 28 00:50:07 <Ataru>	Then you can discuss "consequences" June 28 00:50:17 <JM76>	0.0 June 28 00:50:23 <JM76>	o.0 June 28 00:50:25 <Abeonis>	proof of what? June 28 00:50:26 <C3POtheDS>	If a vandal attacks, one of the admins will ban him, and any user can help revert the damage. June 28 00:50:29 <D_Ultima>	Ok well if you look on the list of users... June 28 00:50:31 <Ataru>	proof of vandalism June 28 00:50:37 <JM76>	our list of users... June 28 00:50:38 <C3POtheDS>	That's the way it works on every wiki. June 28 00:50:39 <D_Ultima>	you can see that a lot of them are sockpuupets June 28 00:50:42 <Ataru>	Besides, vandals are an "occupational hazard" June 28 00:50:45 <JM76>	from last year June 28 00:50:46 <C3POtheDS>	That's what we're doing. June 28 00:50:56 <D_Ultima>	also.. June 28 00:50:59 <C3POtheDS>	Don't need to really have reform there. June 28 00:51:07 <JM76>	You know what, I'm more worried about people following the MoS June 28 00:51:14 <Ataru>	Heh heh. June 28 00:51:19 *	Ataru hasn't read the MoS June 28 00:51:20 <Abeonis>	Why? June 28 00:51:23 <D_Ultima>	? June 28 00:51:36 <JM76>	new users come in here, refuse to read the MoS, Layout guide, and don't source their images, categorize their articles June 28 00:51:46 <C3POtheDS>	I'm worried about the MoS being less a blatant copy of Wookieepedia's. June 28 00:51:58 <C3POtheDS>	It should be our next Improvement Drive. June 28 00:52:10 <JM76>	speaking of Improvement Drives... June 28 00:52:19 <Ataru>	JM 76: No June 28 00:52:20 <JM76>	when was the last time we actually did that thing? June 28 00:52:31 <Ataru>	JM76: Stay. On. Topic. June 28 00:52:31 *	Argh quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 00:52:31 <Abeonis>	I agree with Jm76 on that, I find it annoying the amount of and  i have to put up June 28 00:52:35 <Ataru>	Topic is MOS ignorizing June 28 00:52:39 <C3POtheDS>	Since MPTG, by the looks of the Main Page. June 28 00:52:47 *	SquishyVic quit (Connection timed out). June 28 00:52:56 *	C3POtheD quit (Connection timed out). June 28 00:52:57 *	Dultima quit (Connection timed out). June 28 00:53:01 <JM76>	some people just refuse to read the rules, and their must be punishments June 28 00:53:02 *	Darth_Abeonis quit (Connection timed out). June 28 00:53:15 <Ataru>	If someone told me to reformat my articles to look like a typical wikia article, I'd laugh at them June 28 00:53:21 <Jack_Phoenix>	omg June 28 00:53:24 <Ataru>	If it was something like categorization, that's fine. June 28 00:53:27 <Jack_Phoenix>	connection timeouts. o.o June 28 00:53:31 <Ataru>	Everyone seems to be leaving. :-P June 28 00:53:38 <Ataru>	But I write novellas. June 28 00:53:40 <D_Ultima>	Its almost the end i think..... June 28 00:53:48 *	Abeonis is now known as Darth_Abeonis. June 28 00:53:49 *	C3POtheDS quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 28 00:53:52 <Ataru>	Adding sectionings, quotes, and images would ruin the effect. June 28 00:53:56 <Darth_Abeonis>	YAY! got my old nick name back June 28 00:53:57 *	C3POtheD (i=484b110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-65c75a1b6b1409c9) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 00:53:59 <C3POtheD>	I didn't quit June 28 00:54:00 <Ataru>	I refuse to screw up my prose that way. June 28 00:54:06 <C3POtheD>	I just timed out. June 28 00:54:06 <JM76>	Squishy and I organized a list of consequences for different 'crimes', like not following MoS June 28 00:54:11 <C3POtheD>	Stupid CGI June 28 00:54:30 <JM76>	novellas don't have to look like Wiki articles... June 28 00:54:37 <Ataru>	Good :-P June 28 00:54:48 <C3POtheD>	That should be in the MoS then. June 28 00:54:54 <D_Ultima>	but is it a new users fault for not following MoS because they haven't read it? June 28 00:54:59 <Ataru>	Yes, I'd like that provision June 28 00:55:02 <JM76>	yes June 28 00:55:07 <D_Ultima>	due to the fact that they don't know it exists? June 28 00:55:14 <Ataru>	Is it in your welcome message? June 28 00:55:17 <Ataru>	I think so June 28 00:55:17 <JM76>	there's a link to it in the Welcome template June 28 00:55:17 <C3POtheD>	We need to give something to every type of article we have. June 28 00:55:25 <JM76>	I'm almost 99% sure it is June 28 00:55:39 <D_Ultima>	brb June 28 00:55:43 <C3POtheD>	In http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:_Classes_of_Fanon June 28 00:55:56 <JM76>	when they don't follow the MoS, its basically saying, we don't read, we just look at the template and edit June 28 00:56:20 <Ataru>	Okay, but this happens on the Wookiee too June 28 00:56:26 <JM76>	Apparently its not in the Welcome template... June 28 00:56:34 <Darth_Abeonis>	Which is annoying, yes June 28 00:56:34 <JM76>	*groans* June 28 00:56:36 <Ataru>	The difference is that people don't get as touchy when you edit something someone else made on WP June 28 00:56:44 <JM76>	true June 28 00:57:16 <C3POtheD>	We shouldn't be touchy about it. June 28 00:57:24 <Ataru>	I welcome minor edits to my articles June 28 00:57:28 <JM76>	its not usually they edit someone else's article, they create articles like, "Bob was a cewl jedi warior, and he kiled Luuuke Sywalker" June 28 00:57:46 <JM76>	like that article, let me find it June 28 00:57:48 <Ataru>	Then you need to propose a policy where admins have discretion over what is nonsense June 28 00:57:55 <C3POtheD>	We have an "Editing policy" that we can cite when it is violated, or when a user edits someone else's article for the right reason. June 28 00:58:02 <Ataru>	Once they do, they have can bahleetify it June 28 00:58:08 <Ataru>	That's all you need to do to fix that. June 28 00:58:09 <D_Ultima>	Thats what I was talking about with "one sentece articles" June 28 00:58:18 <C3POtheD>	How about we do what Uncyclopedia does? June 28 00:58:27 <Ataru>	Just put up a proposal. Your offenders won't read it, and it should pass. June 28 00:58:35 <C3POtheD>	Instead of deletion, move junk topics that CAN be improved to user subpages? June 28 00:58:36 *	ffffffff quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 00:58:52 *	C3POtheD sees big moment of inspiration. June 28 00:58:55 <JM76>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/index.php?title=Cheap_StarWars_Teh_Movie%21&oldid=278413 June 28 00:59:04 <Ataru>	That would work too. June 28 00:59:06 <JM76>	That's what happens when users don't follow MoS June 28 00:59:07 <Darth_Abeonis>	Jst delete that bloody movie thing already June 28 00:59:25 <D_Ultima>	well what about a "one-sentece article" whoes author wrote to continue the next day? June 28 00:59:39 *	Ataru snickers. If he can get the Inquisitorius and changing the admin selection rules passed on Wookieepedia, he can get almost anything passed. June 28 00:59:44 *	Ataru has to leave in two minutes June 28 00:59:53 *	NaM3LeSS| (i=51e6a8eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-491e7d9e4d398935) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:00:00 <Ataru>	D_Ultima: They should put one of those WIP things I've seen June 28 01:00:00 <D_Ultima>	well should we wrap this up then? June 28 01:00:04 <Darth_Abeonis>	Well, if they don't improve it, then delete it June 28 01:00:08 <NaM3LeSS|>	Hi! :D June 28 01:00:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hiya. :) June 28 01:00:19 <D_Ultima>	and if they don't know about them? June 28 01:00:19 <JM76>	its almost over :P June 28 01:00:20 <NaM3LeSS|>	Jack! June 28 01:00:20 <Ataru>	Put a template with a timestamp on it June 28 01:00:23 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:00:28 <C3POtheD>	Instead of deleting Cheap StarWars Teh Movie, which can be expanded and organized into a much more qualified joke article, it could be moved to a user subpage of the author to let the author do what needs to be done to make it qualified June 28 01:00:34 <NaM3LeSS|>	how do I change my name on the IRC? June 28 01:00:35 <Ataru>	This article needs to be improved in x time or else x happens to it June 28 01:00:39 <D_Ultima>	again if a new user dosen't know about them? June 28 01:00:43 <Ataru>	Nameleess: /nick Newname June 28 01:00:47 <JM76>	I don't like the user subpage idea June 28 01:00:48 <NaM3LeSS|>	ok June 28 01:00:55 <Ataru>	D_Ultima: Put it in the welcome message June 28 01:00:56 *	NaM3LeSS| is now known as NaM3LeSS. June 28 01:00:57 <C3POtheD>	Why not? June 28 01:00:58 <JM76>	some users will get 500 subpages June 28 01:00:59 <Ataru>	no excuses then June 28 01:01:05 <JM76>	with junk articles June 28 01:01:05 <Ataru>	I prefer straight up bahleetion June 28 01:01:07 <JM76>	just blast em June 28 01:01:09 <D_Ultima>	nonow that I agree with June 28 01:01:11 <C3POtheD>	Then they can be categorized with a template. June 28 01:01:14 <Ataru>	Junk articles were meant to be blasted. June 28 01:01:14 *	NaM3LeSS wonders what the discussion is about. June 28 01:01:17 <Ataru>	Or shoved onto 1 page. June 28 01:01:23 <Ataru>	Not one per user June 28 01:01:28 <Ataru>	One total page June 28 01:01:30 <Darth_Abeonis>	Junk articles were created for blasting June 28 01:01:32 <JM76>	well, if they can be one subpage, that would be better June 28 01:01:33 <Ataru>	Similar to a BJAODN June 28 01:01:38 <Ataru>	Not one subpage June 28 01:01:39 <Ataru>	One page June 28 01:01:46 <C3POtheD>	If the user subpage isn't improved in a certain time, then is the time for admins to intervene. June 28 01:01:47 <JM76>	or page June 28 01:01:56 <Ataru>	Call it a "trash page" and leave all the trash there. June 28 01:01:59 <D_Ultima>	ok I can see that happening June 28 01:02:10 <JM76>	if they want their junk articles, they can recreate them when they look presentable June 28 01:02:13 <C3POtheD>	"Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense" June 28 01:02:28 <C3POtheD>	We have a page like that. June 28 01:02:33 <Ataru>	Yes, similar, but with a different name obviously June 28 01:02:34 <C3POtheD>	It is never used, though. June 28 01:02:36 <D_Ultima>	we do?????? June 28 01:02:38 <Ataru>	Use it for junk articles June 28 01:02:40 <Darth_Abeonis>	I'm going now June 28 01:02:42 <Darth_Abeonis>	Bye all June 28 01:02:43 <JM76>	cya June 28 01:02:44 <NaM3LeSS>	What are we discussing? June 28 01:02:45 <D_Ultima>	c ya June 28 01:02:49 <NaM3LeSS>	cu June 28 01:02:56 *	Darth_Abeonis (i=561b3972@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-2307ff94b5d554a8) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:03:00 <D_Ultima>	reform and such I guess June 28 01:03:03 <C3POtheD>	What to do with nonsense articles. June 28 01:03:03 *	Ataru must be off also June 28 01:03:06 <NaM3LeSS>	what reform? June 28 01:03:07 <Ataru>	It's been interesting. June 28 01:03:12 <JM76>	cya :P June 28 01:03:14 *	Ataru waves his hand June 28 01:03:15 <NaM3LeSS>	cu June 28 01:03:16 <D_Ultima>	um scratch that June 28 01:03:21 <Ataru>	You should all read Force Exile I and II June 28 01:03:24 <D_Ultima>	by ataru June 28 01:03:24 *	NaM3LeSS gotta go soon. June 28 01:03:25 *	Ataru quit ("CGI:IRC"). June 28 01:03:34 <JM76>	alright, well then June 28 01:03:54 <D_Ultima>	so what else? June 28 01:04:00 <Jack_Phoenix>	Umm... June 28 01:04:02 <D_Ultima>	is on the agenda I mean June 28 01:04:03 <Jack_Phoenix>	the new sysops? June 28 01:04:05 <C3POtheD>	I'll repeat something to get back on topic. June 28 01:04:09 <NaM3LeSS>	I've put up a request for a swedish SWF! June 28 01:04:12 <Jack_Phoenix>	When will the new sysop be sysopped? June 28 01:04:18 <JM76>	<mumbles something about feeding dragons and iRC abilities> June 28 01:04:19 <C3POtheD>	If the user subpage isn't improved in a certain time, then is the time for admins to intervene. June 28 01:04:49 <NaM3LeSS>	shouldnt the users be allowed to have all kind of crap on their subpages? June 28 01:04:58 <JM76>	I feel like an idiot for asking, but how do you make your text in italics? June 28 01:05:04 <NaM3LeSS>	''' June 28 01:05:07 <D_Ultima>	again, what about the new users?? June 28 01:05:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	omgbold June 28 01:05:30 <D_Ultima>	the ones who don't have any wiki experience whatsoever June 28 01:05:37 <JM76>	lol June 28 01:05:43 <JM76>	"hi" June 28 01:05:45 <C3POtheD>	That's what I'm concerned with, Ultima. June 28 01:05:48 <NaM3LeSS>	direct them to the help pages when they star tasking things June 28 01:05:54 <JM76>	hi June 28 01:06:03 <C3POtheD>	Oh June 28 01:06:08 <NaM3LeSS>	lol June 28 01:06:23 <JM76>	i'm tired and feel stupid. :P June 28 01:06:24 <Jack_Phoenix>	omghi June 28 01:06:27 <C3POtheD>	That's what those arrow things are for June 28 01:06:29 <NaM3LeSS>	me to June 28 01:06:34 <D_Ultima>	We should have all that "help stuff" on the welcome sign thing where it is clear and visible June 28 01:06:40 <NaM3LeSS>	yup June 28 01:06:45 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:06:57 <D_Ultima>	hopefully most good hearted users will actually read it June 28 01:07:03 <NaM3LeSS>	lol June 28 01:07:36 <D_Ultima>	so is that is for nonsense pages? June 28 01:07:50 <D_Ultima>	just move them to a subpage? June 28 01:07:52 <JM76>	I'm still confused, how do you make your text in italics in the iRC? June 28 01:07:56 <Jack_Phoenix>	No idea. June 28 01:08:02 *	Jack_Phoenix doesn't care :P June 28 01:08:02 <D_Ultima>	you can do that? June 28 01:08:03 <JM76>	*sighs at his absolute stupidity* June 28 01:08:07 <D_Ultima>	lol June 28 01:08:08 <C3POtheD>	Nonsense pages shouldn't be deleted unless their purpose is obviously not good faith. June 28 01:08:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	I can do this though. :P June 28 01:08:27 <D_Ultima>	well like I said "ill finish it tommorow articles" June 28 01:08:30 <C3POtheD>	Test June 28 01:08:34 <Jack_Phoenix>	C3POtheD: a question: are you gonna sysop CBT and Jasca? :) June 28 01:08:49 <C3POtheD>	Yes June 28 01:08:54 <Jack_Phoenix>	:D June 28 01:08:56 <Jack_Phoenix>	yay! :D June 28 01:09:40 <C3POtheD>	I was always going to since the final votes were cast. June 28 01:09:43 <D_Ultima>	'bout time Jasca was an admin June 28 01:09:46 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:09:56 *	JM76_ (n=chatzill@netblock-68-183-6-5.dslextreme.com) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:10:02 <C3POtheD>	You really love those rars, don't you? June 28 01:10:04 <JM76_>	**** June 28 01:10:16 <C3POtheD>	Asterisks get us nowhere. June 28 01:10:26 *	JM76 quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 28 01:10:30 <C3POtheD>	Rars get us somewhere, but very slowly. June 28 01:10:30 <NaM3LeSS>	cya June 28 01:10:33 <JM76_>	would you rather I type it out? June 28 01:10:34 *	NaM3LeSS (i=51e6a8eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-491e7d9e4d398935) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:10:39 *	JM76_ is now known as JM76. June 28 01:10:43 <D_Ultima>	anyway can we continue? June 28 01:10:49 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:10:56 <JM76>	omg June 28 01:11:05 <Jack_Phoenix>	omgrar June 28 01:11:09 <Jack_Phoenix>	I mean June 28 01:11:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	omgrar June 28 01:11:16 <JM76>	I've seen more organization on a spam board on the DF servers June 28 01:12:10 *	IupD (i=47cd084d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-32d5578aad9d8cd7) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:12:17 <JM76>	so, is this meeting over or something? June 28 01:12:18 <D_Ultima>	Hey June 28 01:12:29 <C3POtheD>	I say that deletionism is evil, and there are better ways to put the best of our content forward while the incomplete lower-quality content is improved until the original author admits defeat. June 28 01:12:30 <D_Ultima>	um isnt that up to 3PO? June 28 01:12:45 <JM76>	I was asking, not saying June 28 01:12:56 <IupD>	What's the original proposition? I don't get this... June 28 01:13:05 <JM76>	neither do I, and I got here first :P June 28 01:13:19 <D_Ultima>	how do we tell between a "ill finish tommor article" and a "Luuuke was a cool Jedi" articles? June 28 01:13:30 <D_Ultima>	tommorow June 28 01:13:32 <JM76>	simple. You delete them both June 28 01:13:37 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:13:42 <Jack_Phoenix>	Deletionism for the win. ; June 28 01:13:43 <Jack_Phoenix>	*;) June 28 01:13:45 <JM76>	if it has enough content, it won't be deleted June 28 01:13:47 <D_Ultima>	is that fair to the tommorow article? June 28 01:13:57 <JM76>	*points to above comment* June 28 01:13:59 <C3POtheD>	If Troyb were here, I'd tell him not to follow the example of Luke and Mara, and to not let his attatchment to clans, Star Wars Fanon, GIFs, and flashy sigs to interfere with his judgement. June 28 01:14:01 <IupD>	Is this about getting rid of crap articles? I read something about deletionism and reforming... June 28 01:14:05 <D_Ultima>	what if they only had a chancwe to write a sentence June 28 01:14:21 <IupD>	Then they can write it again. June 28 01:14:26 <D_Ultima>	chance June 28 01:14:27 <JM76>	FTW! June 28 01:14:28 <IupD>	UM...What am I talking about again? June 28 01:14:30 <IupD>	lol June 28 01:14:32 <D_Ultima>	......... June 28 01:14:56 <D_Ultima>	3PO where are you????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! June 28 01:14:58 <JM76>	Alrighty, then. June 28 01:15:16 <D_Ultima>	*searches franticly* June 28 01:15:21 <IupD>	What exactly is the proposition? I'm worried about my articles. June 28 01:15:32 <D_Ultima>	same here June 28 01:15:48 <IupD>	Though I do think the Wikia needs work. June 28 01:15:51 <D_Ultima>	how do we tell the difference? June 28 01:15:54 <IupD>	Oh crap g2g June 28 01:16:02 <C3POtheD>	If CurrentBigThing were here, I'd tell him not to follow the example of Jacen, and consider himself the bearer of truth to the whole site to consider his judgement infallible. June 28 01:16:03 <IupD>	How do we tell the difference!? June 28 01:16:19 <IupD>	There's crap, and there's not crap, and there's arguably crap June 28 01:16:19 *	JM76 quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 28 01:16:22 <D_Ultima>	lol June 28 01:16:30 *	IupD (i=47cd084d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-32d5578aad9d8cd7) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:16:43 *	JM76_ (n=chatzill@netblock-68-183-6-5.dslextreme.com) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:16:45 *	JM76_ is now known as JM76. June 28 01:16:53 <JM76>	groans June 28 01:17:01 <C3POtheD>	There's good faith and bad faith, there's hard effort and ill effort, and there's good result and bad result. June 28 01:17:09 <C3POtheD>	This is where Communism comes to play. June 28 01:17:13 <Jack_Phoenix>	argh June 28 01:17:16 <JM76>	wonderful June 28 01:17:16 <Jack_Phoenix>	politics June 28 01:17:22 <Jack_Phoenix>	this is not #uncyclopedia June 28 01:17:22 <JM76>	Poltics=evil June 28 01:17:33 <JM76>	Anarchy FTW! June 28 01:17:34 <D_Ultima>	but how do we tell the difference??? June 28 01:17:36 <C3POtheD>	If we focus on equal result, that's extremely leftist. June 28 01:17:44 <JM76>	jk June 28 01:18:06 <C3POtheD>	Let's weigh the candidates for deletion on whether the author is good faith and hard effort. June 28 01:18:09 <JM76>	I'm having like, MASSIVE LAG June 28 01:18:24 <D_Ultima>	same here it takes an hour for me message to show up June 28 01:18:33 <C3POtheD>	If the result is poor, then we should give the author a chance to make the result better. June 28 01:18:43 <JM76>	if the article looks like (excuse my French) crap, then it should be deleted June 28 01:18:58 <Jack_Phoenix>	agreed. June 28 01:19:01 <C3POtheD>	Now you're sounding deletionist. June 28 01:19:12 <JM76>	whether it was good faith or not, they obviously didn't read the MoS or Layout Guide, which is disobeying policy June 28 01:19:15 <Jack_Phoenix>	Deletionism is the way to go. ;) June 28 01:19:15 <D_Ultima>	well if the article is a "soandso was a rly ceawl jadi who was killed" it should be deleted June 28 01:19:20 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:19:25 <C3POtheD>	So they should work to improve it. June 28 01:19:33 <JM76>	Not so much deletionist, its simply they are breaking the rules, so they should be punished June 28 01:19:41 <C3POtheD>	Move it out of the way while its being done, if necessary. June 28 01:20:09 <D_Ultima>	 "Luuk was a legendary Jedi Master during the Recovery Era" should be given some time June 28 01:20:14 <Jack_Phoenix>	nah June 28 01:20:16 <Jack_Phoenix>	huff it June 28 01:20:22 <JM76>	:P June 28 01:20:30 <JM76>	That one looks fine, I'd warn him first June 28 01:20:48 <D_Ultima>	So is this gonna be a new policy or somthing? June 28 01:20:53 <C3POtheD>	Then perhaps, if this newbie is excited about being able to publish his own Star Wars stories, and hurriedly works hard on an article, his work should be deleted because he might not have seen the welcome template? June 28 01:20:55 <C3POtheD>	No. June 28 01:20:58 <D_Ultima>	atricle length or somthing? June 28 01:21:05 <C3POtheD>	He should have a chance to fix what he did. June 28 01:21:18 <Jack_Phoenix>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Tyler_gono ... June 28 01:21:21 <Jack_Phoenix>	huff that. June 28 01:21:23 <C3POtheD>	How can he fix it if he doesn't know something's wrong? June 28 01:21:30 *	Xepeyon (i=4aa7aad7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-74a759be1800c8a6) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:21:38 <D_Ultima>	Thats true\ June 28 01:21:49 <D_Ultima>	how do we make sure that dosent happen June 28 01:22:23 <JM76>	nah, they should read the Welcome template June 28 01:22:46 <JM76>	a fair warning should be issued first, like I gave Tyler Gono's author June 28 01:22:46 <C3POtheD>	All I'm saying here is that to determine what should be "huffed," we should look at how hard the author worked on it and whether the author intends to make Star Wars Fanon better with his work. June 28 01:22:52 <D_Ultima>	well at least its nice and big :) June 28 01:22:55 *	Xepeyon quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). June 28 01:23:14 <C3POtheD>	If the author has those qualities, then it should be no problem persuading him to adjust a few errors in his work. June 28 01:23:24 <JM76>	What amuses me is we are starting to sound like Commies June 28 01:23:38 <C3POtheD>	I have no clue what Commies are. June 28 01:23:41 <D_Ultima>	lol June 28 01:23:46 <JM76>	Communists June 28 01:23:54 <JM76>	excuse my slang June 28 01:24:03 <JM76>	*rolls eyes* June 28 01:24:13 <C3POtheD>	Oh, one of those silly slang abbreviations with "ie" strung at the end. I should have guessed. June 28 01:24:18 <JM76>	yup June 28 01:24:26 <JM76>	anyway, back on topic June 28 01:24:26 <C3POtheD>	Sounded like an anime faction or something. June 28 01:24:38 <JM76>	no anime bashing, continue! June 28 01:24:43 <D_Ultima>	lol June 28 01:25:07 <JM76>	Let's look at Tyler Gono. June 28 01:25:12 <D_Ultima>	anyway.... June 28 01:25:14 <JM76>	I could type that up in 5 seconds June 28 01:25:34 <Jack_Phoenix>	:P June 28 01:25:36 <C3POtheD>	Communists strive for equal result. So the government has a say in EVERYTHING to make sure everything is balanced. June 28 01:25:53 <JM76>	That is NOT difficult and strenuous work, that could be good faith, but really, if they wanted to, they could make a novella out of that character June 28 01:26:20 <JM76>	like how the government controls everything, including farms and small businesses? June 28 01:26:27 *	GHe (n=GHe@wikipedia/GHe) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:26:38 <C3POtheD>	So here's the table. June 28 01:26:46 <D_Ultima>	ok June 28 01:27:10 <C3POtheD>	Good faith+hard effort=good result, keep June 28 01:27:21 <D_Ultima>	amen June 28 01:27:35 <C3POtheD>	Good faith+hard effort=bad result, warn June 28 01:27:46 <JM76>	fine June 28 01:27:53 <D_Ultima>	uh huh June 28 01:27:57 <C3POtheD>	Good faith+ill effort=good result, weird, I'd like to see that article June 28 01:28:13 <D_Ultima>	um.... June 28 01:28:19 <JM76>	bad faith+hard effort= bye bye! June 28 01:28:28 <C3POtheD>	Good faith+ill effort=bad result, delete, can be redone with added effort June 28 01:28:37 <JM76>	fine June 28 01:28:40 <D_Ultima>	cool ok June 28 01:28:45 <JM76>	what'll that go into, the Editing policy? June 28 01:28:49 *	ChanServ gives channel operator rights to user C3POtheD Jack_Phoenix JM76. June 28 01:29:01 <Jack_Phoenix>	omgops June 28 01:29:04 <D_Ultima>	it should.. June 28 01:29:05 <JM76>	O.O nice June 28 01:29:09 <Jack_Phoenix>	rar June 28 01:29:17 <JM76>	permanent or no? June 28 01:29:21 <C3POtheD>	Bad faith+hard effort=good result, Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense June 28 01:29:28 <JM76>	k June 28 01:29:37 <GHe>	btw June 28 01:29:43 <D_Ultima>	i9 hope someone is writing this down... June 28 01:29:44 <GHe>	want me to ask Angela about access? June 28 01:29:47 <Jack_Phoenix>	sure June 28 01:29:50 <GHe>	right now? June 28 01:29:52 <C3POtheD>	Bad faith+hard effort=bad result, duh, that's trash June 28 01:29:56 <Jack_Phoenix>	Why not, GHe. :) June 28 01:29:57 <D_Ultima>	we should put this on the editiing policy June 28 01:30:00 <JM76>	sure, i think I asked on her talk page on Wiki central, but go ahead June 28 01:30:07 <GHe>	want me to ask her to come here? :P June 28 01:30:11 <Jack_Phoenix>	GHe: JM76 asked at Angela's Central talk... June 28 01:30:11 <D_Ultima>	or make it an article policy June 28 01:30:13 <C3POtheD>	We need a deletion policy June 28 01:30:16 <Jack_Phoenix>	sure, GHe. :) June 28 01:30:22 <D_Ultima>	brb June 28 01:30:24 <JM76>	not for you guys though, just me! :P June 28 01:30:27 <Jack_Phoenix>	C3POtheD: the Cabal huffs all lousy articles. :P June 28 01:30:33 <Jack_Phoenix>	that's the policy, lol. :P June 28 01:30:58 <C3POtheD>	Bad faith+ill effort=good result, wow, impressive June 28 01:31:07 <C3POtheD>	That's communist, lol June 28 01:31:31 <C3POtheD>	Bad faith+ill effort=bad result, get Squishy Vic June 28 01:31:39 <C3POtheD>	He'll know what to do with it. June 28 01:31:40 <JM76>	LOL!! :D June 28 01:31:42 <GHe>	ok, she's currently busy and will be here later June 28 01:31:42 <D_Ultima>	lol June 28 01:31:47 <GHe>	so don't leave the channel :P June 28 01:31:54 <Jack_Phoenix>	:) June 28 01:31:58 <JM76>	*groans* June 28 01:32:01 <D_Ultima>	ut seriously should we have a policy about this? June 28 01:32:06 <JM76>	great, just three more hours of sittting here June 28 01:32:10 <D_Ultima>	ut June 28 01:32:13 <D_Ultima>	but June 28 01:32:32 <C3POtheD>	If we focus on the quality of the article alone, and don't consider possibility of improvement or the intent of the author, it's communist June 28 01:32:38 <Jack_Phoenix>	argh! June 28 01:32:48 <Jack_Phoenix>	I'm sick of communism talk and politics! June 28 01:32:51 <D_Ultima>	thats what I was saying June 28 01:32:55 <Jack_Phoenix>	damn it, this is NOT #uncyclopedia June 28 01:32:58 <JM76>	actually its deletionists June 28 01:33:01 <C3POtheD>	Communism=wide range of jobs with wide range of amounts of work, but equal reward June 28 01:33:09 <D_Ultima>	wait who's comming again? June 28 01:33:16 <JM76>	with bad results June 28 01:33:28 <JM76>	has Communism ever ended well, I don't think so June 28 01:33:53 <JM76>	Angela June 28 01:33:54 *	D_Ultima quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 01:33:56 *	Jack_Phoenix doesn't like to talk about politics June 28 01:33:58 <JM76>	is coming June 28 01:34:00 <C3POtheD>	It ended well in North Korea :) June 28 01:34:14 *	D_Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-4b1a49c5a0fc4bd4) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:34:20 <JM76>	no it didn't, don't spread lies *lalalalalalala, I can't here you!* June 28 01:34:25 <C3POtheD>	JM76, your question is rather awkward. June 28 01:34:30 *	CBT (i=47bb3090@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-d5dbb28e5dc3b1a0) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:34:35 <D_Ultima>	what was his question? June 28 01:34:36 <JM76>	I know June 28 01:34:43 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hi CBT. :) June 28 01:34:48 <CBT>	Hey gys June 28 01:34:49 <D_Ultima>	sup CBT June 28 01:34:50 <C3POtheD>	If it ends, it means Communism didn't do very "well" June 28 01:34:56 <CBT>	Sup Ultima June 28 01:35:01 <D_Ultima>	srry bout my lagg June 28 01:35:08 <JM76>	EXACTLY! June 28 01:35:11 <C3POtheD>	CurrentBigThing, when you're admin, don't act like Jacen Solo June 28 01:35:15 <C3POtheD>	There, I said it. June 28 01:35:17 <JM76>	*groans* June 28 01:35:26 <D_Ultima>	*waits silently* June 28 01:35:33 <CBT>	Well, I haven't "become" an admin yet June 28 01:35:40 <CBT>	You must do that June 28 01:35:43 <C3POtheD>	I'll change that right now. June 28 01:36:11 <JM76>	Sits quietly June 28 01:36:18 <JM76>	dang, that doesn't do it either! June 28 01:36:19 <C3POtheD>	Changed June 28 01:36:19 <D_Ultima>	woohoo! CBTs becoming an admin! Its about time June 28 01:36:25 <CBT>	Look, I won't be like Jacen, as you put it. However, I will cleanse the ebsite of garbage June 28 01:36:31 <CBT>	Thanks 3po June 28 01:36:37 <D_Ultima>	lol t5hats what we were talking about June 28 01:36:44 <D_Ultima>	thats June 28 01:36:53 *	ChanServ gives channel operator rights to user CBT. June 28 01:36:54 <C3POtheD>	Perhaps you should learn how communist the philosophy "delete crap" is June 28 01:37:05 <C3POtheD>	Good faith+hard effort=good result, keep June 28 01:37:06 <Jack_Phoenix>	gah June 28 01:37:15 <Jack_Phoenix>	I'm about to do a kick soon... June 28 01:37:15 <D_Ultima>	here we go again.. June 28 01:37:20 <C3POtheD>	Good faith+hard effort=bad result, warn June 28 01:37:31 <Jack_Phoenix>	This is not #uncyclopedia, that's where the politics go. ;) June 28 01:37:36 <GHe>	Jack_Phoenix: kicks suck :P June 28 01:37:39 <D_Ultima>	I hope someone logged this... June 28 01:37:42 <GHe>	removals are better ;) June 28 01:37:46 <Jack_Phoenix>	<g> June 28 01:37:48 <C3POtheD>	The politics go in the politics wikia June 28 01:37:57 <JM76>	omg, I'm going to go ban somebody in a moment, brb June 28 01:38:03 <C3POtheD>	The politics as the common Democrat knows them go in uncyclopedia June 28 01:38:10 <Jack_Phoenix>	C3POtheD: also June 28 01:38:18 <Jack_Phoenix>	you might want to revoke Jasca's rollback access. :P June 28 01:38:22 <Jack_Phoenix>	as it's useless. ;) June 28 01:38:27 <GHe>	Jack_Phoenix: can't June 28 01:38:30 <C3POtheD>	I can do that? June 28 01:38:31 <GHe>	unless done by staff June 28 01:38:34 <CBT>	So, 3po under that logic, youre saying you would like to have all those shit articles June 28 01:38:34 <GHe>	no June 28 01:38:37 <GHe>	it won't let you June 28 01:38:40 <C3POtheD>	no June 28 01:38:41 <GHe>	since he has sysop now June 28 01:38:46 <Jack_Phoenix>	omg June 28 01:38:47 <D_Ultima>	so what do we do with this "delete crap" policy? June 28 01:38:49 <GHe>	so you can't change rollback status June 28 01:38:54 <Jack_Phoenix>	:o June 28 01:38:59 <C3POtheD>	I'm saying I would like to give the authors a chance to make them something other than garbage June 28 01:39:00 <Jack_Phoenix>	GiveRollback b0rken? June 28 01:39:01 <GHe>	only staff can June 28 01:39:04 <Jack_Phoenix>	Meh. June 28 01:39:04 <GHe>	with Userrights June 28 01:39:08 <Jack_Phoenix>	Gotta bug TOR about this. June 28 01:39:11 <CBT>	Thats a generic statement June 28 01:39:14 <CBT>	How long? June 28 01:39:15 <JM76>	argh, does anyone see this image? http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Perfect_couple_hehe.jpg June 28 01:39:18 <GHe>	It's going to say "This user already has sysop access" June 28 01:39:20 <C3POtheD>	If it's bad faith, delete June 28 01:39:20 <GHe>	or something June 28 01:39:21 <D_Ultima>	Ya i know but how do we inform the commuity about that?> June 28 01:39:35 <GHe>	so you can't de-rollback a rollback,sysop June 28 01:39:36 <D_Ultima>	policy or what? June 28 01:39:46 <JM76>	Anyone? June 28 01:39:49 <C3POtheD>	If a lot of effort went into it, though, and the author obviously wanted to make a good article, tell him how to make it a good article June 28 01:40:08 <CBT>	I see what you are saying, dont get mewrong June 28 01:40:24 <CBT>	Im talking about articls that sit with improvement templates for months June 28 01:40:26 <D_Ultima>	thats what we were saying about the welcome box thing June 28 01:40:41 <JM76>	can anyone see the image here? June 28 01:40:47 <D_Ultima>	those are probably bad faith articles June 28 01:40:56 <C3POtheD>	That's what's called good-faith, ill effort June 28 01:41:01 <CBT>	And dont get me started with the uncategorized articles page June 28 01:41:09 <C3POtheD>	That can be deleted because it can be recreated with more effort June 28 01:41:14 <D_Ultima>	*groans* June 28 01:41:25 <C3POtheD>	Categorize the uncategorized pages, not delete. June 28 01:41:28 <CBT>	JM:Nah man, cant see it June 28 01:41:28 <D_Ultima>	can't you just categorize them? June 28 01:41:30 <JM76>	ya, like 10,000 more articles June 28 01:41:40 <C3POtheD>	Deletion categories are for deleting June 28 01:41:47 <JM76>	Seriously, does anybody see this image, its not coming up on my computer June 28 01:41:50 <JM76>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Perfect_couple_hehe.jpg June 28 01:42:03 <CBT>	If people are too lazy to categorize, its not my problem June 28 01:42:05 <Jack_Phoenix>	JM76: i see the dreaded red X June 28 01:42:12 <JM76>	I second that June 28 01:42:12 *	GeneralGrham (i=484a641c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-a41d98a5c20b12b2) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:42:20 <C3POtheD>	That could be another improvement drive; categorize everything on that list. June 28 01:42:24 <JM76>	but they shouldn't be deleted, the author should categorize them June 28 01:42:24 <CBT>	Fine June 28 01:42:26 *	IupD (i=47cd084d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-18b5dbae2af95a74) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:42:34 <JM76>	I am so going to ban that person June 28 01:42:37 <JM76>	brb June 28 01:42:39 <CBT>	However, the communit6y has ONE WEEK June 28 01:42:39 <IupD>	Hello? June 28 01:42:39 <Jack_Phoenix>	o.o June 28 01:42:42 <C3POtheD>	Not much harder than deleting them all, and it would have a larger potential workforce June 28 01:42:50 <D_Ultima>	or good faith users could categorize them June 28 01:42:54 <CBT>	One week, then I take matters into my own hands June 28 01:43:00 <Jack_Phoenix>	yay :D June 28 01:43:07 <Jack_Phoenix>	CBT: huff them...all of them. ;) June 28 01:43:11 <D_Ultima>	lol im like the only one here who's not an admin June 28 01:43:17 <Jack_Phoenix>	(huff is an Uncyclopedia term for deleting ;) June 28 01:43:20 <C3POtheD>	If the author doesn't use a week to make his article better, then yes, the article can be classified as ill-effort June 28 01:43:30 <CBT>	Very well June 28 01:43:37 <GeneralGrham>	Whats the discussion about? June 28 01:43:38 <D_Ultima>	*slips away to improve his articles* June 28 01:43:47 <D_Ultima>	lol Jk June 28 01:43:50 <CBT>	We should probably make it known June 28 01:43:56 <C3POtheD>	We should work on a deletion policy to get this straightened out. June 28 01:44:02 <JM76>	*wipes hands* done, he's banned June 28 01:44:11 <D_Ultima>	who... June 28 01:44:24 <JM76>	User:Dewbackman June 28 01:44:31 <C3POtheD>	That's one of the big things that hasn't been done about deleting the "trash;" defining the trash and when it should be deleted. June 28 01:44:39 <D_Ultima>	oh June 28 01:44:52 <D_Ultima>	well we've taken care of that...somewhat June 28 01:44:56 <GeneralGrham>	Whats the discussion about? June 28 01:45:25 <D_Ultima>	crap articles and what to do with them June 28 01:45:41 <GeneralGrham>	Simple. Trash em. June 28 01:45:46 <CBT>	Which is, sorry to say, a majority of the database June 28 01:45:58 <GeneralGrham>	Than maybe not. June 28 01:46:12 <C3POtheD>	*sigh* June 28 01:46:15 <D_Ultima>	*sigh* June 28 01:46:26 <D_Ultima>	well whos going to go through all of this again? June 28 01:46:27 *	CBT looks around June 28 01:46:29 <JM76>	*sigh sigh* June 28 01:46:32 <GeneralGrham>	Maybe a certain amount of time is given to improve the article. June 28 01:46:33 <C3POtheD>	I'll start something in the Consensus Track later. June 28 01:46:39 <CBT>	Alright June 28 01:47:00 <GeneralGrham>	Maybe a certain amount of time is given to improve the article. June 28 01:47:02 <GeneralGrham>	Maybe a certain amount of time is given to improve the article. June 28 01:47:07 <C3POtheD>	I'll try to have something concrete that we can all agree on. June 28 01:47:11 <CBT>	One Week June 28 01:47:11 <D_Ultima>	should we add this to a deletion policy? June 28 01:47:12 <JM76>	Can't we just blast the crap and get it over with June 28 01:47:22 <Jack_Phoenix>	:o June 28 01:47:24 <GHe>	JM76: is your nick registered? June 28 01:47:29 <JM76>	it should be June 28 01:47:29 <GHe>	or identified June 28 01:47:34 <JM76>	why? June 28 01:47:38 <GHe>	did you /msg nickserv identify? June 28 01:47:40 <C3POtheD>	Untill then, I'm hungry. June 28 01:47:45 <GeneralGrham>	That would delete 1/2 the wiki. June 28 01:47:46 <CBT>	JM we have to be "fair" June 28 01:47:49 <JM76>	yes June 28 01:47:52 *	IupD quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 01:48:05 <GeneralGrham>	Yeah. June 28 01:48:16 <C3POtheD>	And until then, try not to be too liberal in deletions. And please spare "Lang Chronicles," my friend really wants to work on them. June 28 01:48:19 *	DarthVar (i=46833a70@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-cd385c021d250540) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:48:20 *	C3POtheD (i=484b110a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-65c75a1b6b1409c9) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:48:23 <JM76>	Fair to the sense where we keep the articles that say "Gorge Ws a jedi, he was kool, he kiled Darh Vadr'' June 28 01:48:32 <CBT>	Indeed JM June 28 01:48:43 <D_Ultima>	LOl I was just looking at that a few hours ago...wait I was here a few hours ago June 28 01:48:53 <GHe>	[JM76] has been added to the access list for #swfanon with level [30] June 28 01:48:58 <GHe>	you'll need to identify to use it, though June 28 01:49:00 <D_Ultima>	THATS WHAT IM SAYING? June 28 01:49:04 <D_Ultima>	!!! June 28 01:49:07 <JM76>	I'm pretty sure it is June 28 01:49:27 <JM76>	Do i have to identify it in #swfanon, or can I do it in Freenode? June 28 01:49:34 <GHe>	identify to nickserv June 28 01:49:42 <GHe>	/msg nickserv identify yourpassword June 28 01:49:48 <D_Ultima>	Its either a "ill finish tommorow" areticle or a "Luuke was cool he was killed" article June 28 01:49:49 <JM76>	k June 28 01:49:58 <D_Ultima>	article June 28 01:51:08 <JM76>	Think I'm registered now June 28 01:51:09 <CBT>	Hey, Gonna go eat people June 28 01:51:19 <CBT>	Peace out June 28 01:51:20 *	D_Ultima quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 01:51:24 *	CBT (i=47bb3090@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-d5dbb28e5dc3b1a0) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:51:27 <DarthVar>	so what is this about? June 28 01:51:30 <GeneralGrham>	Peace, CBT June 28 01:51:38 *	D_Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-c8221085cf3b3fa2) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:51:39 <GHe>	there June 28 01:51:40 <GeneralGrham>	What to do with crap articles. June 28 01:51:43 <JM76>	very nice June 28 01:51:49 <DarthVar>	Oh June 28 01:51:52 <D_Ultima>	im back June 28 01:51:57 <D_Ultima>	sup var June 28 01:52:02 <DarthVar>	hey June 28 01:52:02 <GHe>	JM76: now, do you know how to op? June 28 01:52:07 <JM76>	well, is the meeting over then? June 28 01:52:10 <JM76>	Yup June 28 01:52:11 <D_Ultima>	So are we done now? June 28 01:52:13 <JM76>	block, kick June 28 01:52:16 <JM76>	silence June 28 01:52:21 <Jack_Phoenix>	remove too :D June 28 01:52:27 <JM76>	remove, of course June 28 01:52:27 <GHe>	and you know how to do that, right? June 28 01:52:37 <GHe>	/msg chanserv op #swfanon June 28 01:52:59 <D_Ultima>	wheres 3PO anyway? June 28 01:53:09 <GeneralGrham>	He left. June 28 01:53:13 <DarthVar>	he went to eat June 28 01:53:19 <DarthVar>	i think June 28 01:54:48 *	GeneralGrham (i=484a641c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-a41d98a5c20b12b2) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:54:51 <Jack_Phoenix>	op abuse lol :P June 28 01:54:52 <GHe>	:P June 28 01:54:58 <Jack_Phoenix>	I was afk. June 28 01:54:59 <DarthVar>	So whats up? June 28 01:55:11 *	ChanServ gives channel operator rights to user Jack_Phoenix. June 28 01:55:16 *	Jack_Phoenix removes channel operator privileges from user JM76. June 28 01:55:18 <GHe>	:P June 28 01:55:19 *	Jack_Phoenix removes channel operator privileges from user Jack_Phoenix. June 28 01:55:19 <D_Ultima>	lol you missed the meeting June 28 01:55:42 <JM76>	and how'd you do that? June 28 01:55:46 <D_Ultima>	well c ya I guess this things over! June 28 01:55:48 *	DarthVar quit (Remote closed the connection). June 28 01:55:49 <JM76>	and what's it do, I'm confused June 28 01:55:53 *	D_Ultima (i=18c06230@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-c8221085cf3b3fa2) left channel #swfanon. June 28 01:56:22 <JM76>	argh... June 28 01:56:53 <JM76>	Jack, can you archive the meeting? June 28 01:57:03 *	Pinky (i=4cb08c9f@wikia/Pinky49) joined channel #swfanon. June 28 01:57:07 <Jack_Phoenix>	Hi Pinky. :) June 28 01:57:11 <Jack_Phoenix>	JM76: eh... June 28 01:57:17 <Jack_Phoenix>	I'd prefer not. ;) June 28 01:57:24 <GHe>	Jack_Phoenix: so now you're going to be in this channel every day? :P June 28 01:57:25 <JM76>	I could, if you told me how. Just copy and paste? June 28 01:57:36 <Jack_Phoenix>	yeah, I think. June 28 01:57:40 <Jack_Phoenix>	GHe: not likely. :P June 28 01:57:54 <JM76>	The only problem is, I missed some of the meeting June 28 01:58:04 <JM76>	my connection messed up twice