Star Wars Fanon:Requests for adminship/Archive/CurrentBigThing

CurrentBigThing, 27th May-27th June 2007
First things first, for comments by the community about me, see this page, and you may see why I am nominated. To start, I was nominated by Jack Phoenix, I did not "ask". I do wish to become an admin, because I feel this wiki is still falling apart despite the best efforts of our current admins. I will rid this place of all the garbage, and clean out other useless articles. What I have to say is harsh, yes, but do not mistake my tone for hatred toward you. I love this wiki as much as the next user, and for these reasons, I want to clean it up, so we can become more respected. I will answer questions, however I will not answer ones irrelevant to my plans on here. Do not look for an answer to questions such as, "Who is the greatest hero in Star Wars?" or "Who shot first?". They have absolutely no bearing on my ability to administer this website. If I am made an administrator, I will clean this place up. No, I don't have any previous administration experience on wiki, however, in the REAL world, where things like that matter, I am known as an honest and trustworthy man. Sometimes rookies are the best candidates, becuase they are not afraid to jump head first into new things.

Support

 * 1) I fully support CBT's adminship. He's a nice guy who's online often, always doing maintenance and other tasks. :) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 16:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) He'll be a great admin.
 * 3) Has definitely shown his worth, as possibly the most truthful user on these boards. Will definitely make a good admin; he's already proved his worth. SV undefined
 * 4) Even though we have our share of fights I respected his veiws.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 19:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Maybe he won't be such a lazy admin (looks at himself and sighs) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]]
 * 6) Per Squishy Vic. Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 01:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Needed as admin.
 * 8) He has been involved in almost every major incident and has been a major roleplayer in recent events
 * 9) Per all of the above. - Brandon Rhea 18:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) He is a great user, always helpful, may be a little harsh, but fine by me doesn't bother me. Online a lot, helps with small tasks and taking care of matters. And is even on the GA board. Yup, and per all above. Darth tader Mandalore battles  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 20:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, fine! Now you'll stop bugging me at least . Though I have reasons to oppose(as stated below) I believe that overall, he's fit to be admin.
 * 1) He is harsh if its the truth. General Grham Talk to me. NCIS Wiki [[Image:Yoda.jpg|25px]] 21:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Gho st I nsi de the M ach ine ''(Whisper through the Storm ) (My Journeys ) (Omens ) 20:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Per Jack and Squishy. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  18:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I obviously don't know the meaning of harsh. You will be a  great  administrator. All you have to work on is softening up.--'Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 19:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Not to be mean CBT, and I hope we don't become enemies or anything, I just don't believe you're ready yet. First of all, you haven't been here very long. You just started this year. Secondly, yes, I have friends, and they help me with a lot of stuff. Squishy Vic is your friend, yes, and I believe he nominated you because you and him are friends. Now, if I am nominated by Troyb or Pinky49 or somebody, yeah, you all can oppose me all you want for the same reason, okay?&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests [[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 18:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, I didn't nominate him. Pheonix did. SV undefined
 * He's still your friend.&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests [[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 18:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I didn't nominate him because we're friend. Jack nominated him because Jack believes CBT is a good user. SV undefined
 * Just leave me alone.&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests HSM Wiki [[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 18:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. SV undefined
 * 1) A bit too harsh for my tastes. Bub 22:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Too harsh. Chack Jadson 01:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Per voting policy:user has 10 total contribs, of which 1 is in the main article namespace. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 13:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) I was going to add my comment to neutral but after thinking about it, it's better suited to oppose.

"Additionally, on the same subject, others claim I am too harsh. What? Don't you want an administrator who is not going to enforce things? An administrator who is going to tell it like it is?"

- cbt

Yet you haven't said you weren't harsh, infact, I'd go as far to say you were agreeing. And I concur; you are harsh. You are allways quick to attack a person who said anything bordering negativativity about you. you just jump into a conversation, turning it into an argument and fueling the fire as it were.

You also seem to think the entire point of being an admin is to enforce laws. You keep saying you'll delete this and ban him, but you're only seeing half the picture. To be an admin is also to help users and make sure they enjoy their time here aswell. If we don't "play nice" as you say, you'll drive people away from the wiki.

To me you just project an aura of negativity, maliciousness, spitefulness, ill-will and malevolence. I'm almost afraid to post this and that feeling might come across new users when they approach you as an Admin.

Admins should be nice, friendly, caring and considerate peoples, eager to help in any way. If a new user asked if you would help him, i'm afriad you would say: "Stop whining, shut up and grow up. No one helps or cares about you in the real world so why should I?" You seem a solitary person who wouldn't go out of their way for anyone, which is reason enough for an oppose vote.

Penultimately, you compare yourself (or have been compared) to Redemption. Do you honestly believe that is a good thing? You yourself said he was hated by many. Do you want to be hated as such?

Finnaly, don't we have enough admins anyway? 4 is enough and we have a fair few De Facto's. I think perhaps you would be better as De Facto for the time being, as to see whether you would be good as an admin in a few months. Another reason for this is because you have no previous admin experience. This wiki is quite large for first steps as it were.

And that, I think, is a bit better than "He's harsh".


 * Responded to on previous users talk page.
 * 1) YOU ARE TOO HARSH. And you tell me that I don't follow other's reviews and suggestions? WHhy don't you try to get better?--'Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 23:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm considering counting this vote invalid, because, as you said yourself&mdash;on CBT's talkpage&mdash;you're leaving. If you're thinking about leaving a legacy by doing this, you are sorely mistaken. But, as always, I'll leave this to the admins. [[Image:NKsig.png|70px]] Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 23:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, no. I said I was thinking about leaving, which I'm probably not.--'Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 23:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "I'm gonna leave SWFanon anyway. LEAVE ME ALONE!"

- You

Oh, you never said that, eh? Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles 23:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * People say stuff they don't mean sometimes.--'Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 23:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And yet you still said it. You can't take that back. [[Image:NKsig.png|70px]] Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 00:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of people have said they're leaving and came back. And I never really "left" so you shouldn't count my vote as invalid. You'll are just trying to find reasons for CBT to become admins and for our votes not to count. I bet if someone like Jasca said they were leaving but decided not to voted, I bet you'll wouldn't say anyone. Its just that I have a reputation of not being a very popular user around here. I don't care if I'm popular or not, we're all equal. Even the admins and burecrats. WE'RE ALL EQUAL.--'Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 00:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Have I ever said you weren't equal? No, I have not. Well if Jasca decided to leave, then said he would like to come back, then we'd leave his vote be. You are taking this way out of porportion, Tyler. I didn't know that you wanted to stay, I only knew what I had seen on CBT's talkpage. If you like, we can take this to IRC instead of spamming this page, because I'm not really in the mood to argue with someone I can't see. [[Image:NKsig.png|70px]] Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 00:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry. We can take this to IRC.--'Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 00:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be there asap. [[Image:NKsig.png|70px]] Jesus Freak NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 00:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that's called "hitting the door on your way out, no?" -- [[Image:JM76sig.jpg|90px]] Council Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg|20px]]

Neutral
"A bit too harsh for my tastes."

- Bub 22:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and what are your tastes? An administrator that just sits idly, and does not speak his mind concerning events happening on the wiki?
 * If I sat idly and did not speak my mind, then I would not have replied to you just now, or even voted on this page. I went inactive on SWF because spending too much time here was giving me less time to do things that I actually wanted to do, and it was also lowering my grades a bit. Regarding "maintaining order" and such, there is no way to make this place respected without driving out or banning several of the users who have contributed here. Many users here are immature and ignorant, and do not know how wikis are meant to work, sometimes suggesting ridiculous "propositions" or "governments." (I'm not going to name anybody here, but you get the point.) This also has nothing to do with vandalism. Wookieepedia is vandalized quite often, and is still respected by much of the wiki community (and Star Wars community, for that matter). Bub 22:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "there is no way to make this place respected without driving out or banning several of the users who have contributed here."

- Bub

So how are you going to accomplish this if you don't have people who will ENFORCE things, and are tough on the users.
 * 1) I am not sure, but I kind of do agree with Bub.
 * Administrators enforce rules, not relay them. What would the world be like if the police told a drunk driver to "Just stop drinking okay?", instead of arresting them?
 * Where have you seen me do that? Bub 22:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about the general philosophy of this wiki. Play Nice, assume good faith.
 * I have to agree at least somewhat with Bub, though I will probably stay neutral. Its not as much that he's "too harsh" but rather makes personal attacks and isn't super friendly. I'm not talking about honesty, which someone should always be, I'm talking about being somewhat mean. You say you follow Redemption, right? Well Redemption might never become an admin on wookieepedia, or even UOTM for that matter, and the reason is because he has often made personal attacks. Now cbt is much milder than redemption, but he has still been awfully harsh to users. I don't think we should have an admin thats gonna be making the occasional PA on other users. And hopefully you know cbt, that this isn't because I don't like you in anyway, I actually like you very much, I'm just not sure if you'd be perfect as admin. Anyway, try and persuade me differently, I encourage you, but for now heres what I've got to say.
 * I agree with Pinky. The personal attacks are the main reason that I voted against you. Bub 23:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Personal attacks? Evidence please.
 * For example, in the section below this one. Bub 23:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So where is my ban? And Bub I thought you "quit"?
 * Did you want an answer or did you not want an answer? Bub 23:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh Wah Wah Bub. Get over it.  If people think they are gonna be babied in life, and not be insulted, then they wont get very far now will they?
 * So are you now saying that insulting people for no reason should be allowed here because people will insult each other either way? That sounds like a rather ineffective policy. Bub 23:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It wasn;'t an insult. It was a comment.  I didnt say "So and so is a moron, don't listen to that idiot" Now did I?
 * Well you don't necessarily get banned for every PA.
 * Pinky, yes you do. Or should at least. And what CBT said below was not a PA. SV undefined

"and please no personal attacks."

- Vic

Apparently it was getting pretty close to being one. Also, what about Jango? He made several PAs before being banned. And Fourdot never got banned either.
 * But the point is he [CBT] didn't make one, and Pinky 4dot did get banned. SV undefined

"An administrator that just sits idly, and does not speak his mind concerning events happening on the wiki?"
 * But if you hadn't stepped in it very well may have become one. Anyway, ok so I was wrong about that, but he wasn't banned until a while after his PAs and what about redemption? His block log is clean.
 * Oh trust me, had I been an admin then, I would've blocked him immediately. As well as some others who made PAs (not saying who though). SV undefined
 * Well even during your reign as admin there have been users who weren't immediately banned for PAs. Also, heres another one:

- cbt

Sounds a lot like a PA to me, and even though he didn't actually call Bub out by name, he pretty much implied that he was referring to Bub. I commented on Bubs page, then HE posted it here. Then HE replied back. He said he quit Tyler, if he quit why did HE keep responding?
 * I dont consider my time as an admin a reign. How could you even say that? You say it as if I'm trying to be the president of the wiki, even though I'm not and all I'm trying to do is help out the wiki. And yeah, I was lenient and gave Jango a chance, however he didnt comply and was banned. Anymore examples of users who got away with PAs? Raul made a PA, and I banned him too. And CBT's quote isnt a PA; he is telling the truth. Bub has been inactive and he's even admitted that he's "quit" the wiki. SV undefined
 * Well if Bub has admitted that he quitted the wiki then why did CBT comment on it?&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests HSM Wiki 23:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Either way, no PA that I can see. Please look up what a PA is. SV undefined


 * Ok, "reign" is just the word I used, I'm sorry if you felt I was portraying you as "president of the wiki." "does not speak his mind concerning events happening on the wiki" Bub never said that. Ok, and if you don't want to call cbts comments "personal attacks" I'll call them insults, which they are. The world isn't a perfect place and people shouldn't be "babied around," but an admin of the wiki shouldn't be going around insulting people.
 * Okay, well then lets have a military that doesn't carry guns. Authority figures that dont tell it like it is are not worthy to be in power.


 * Ok, insulting and punishing are two entirely different things.
 * The truth hurts.


 * Yes, but IMO an admin shouldn't be mean to other users, especially new ones. However, I am not going to oppose your adminship anyway, so it won't really matter, I'm simply stating my opinion.
 * Opinion noted. Do not fear change, embrace it.

Comments
Tyler is just angry because I completely crushed his little clan uprising he and his friends thought they were starting.
 * What?&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests [[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 18:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Enough; this won't turn into an argument on this page. Take it to the talk pages, and please no personal attacks. SV undefined Welp he doesn't mind speaking his mind and he won't pacify things for anyone.He has my vote.


 * Inquiry:Why isn't this meatbag an admin yet?

He does what is on his sig. He says it to people's faces. I would probobly support, but I haven't been a user for a month. General Grham Talk to me. NCIS Wiki 21:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Questions
-- Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library The following questions have been asked by Squishy Vic. SV undefined
 * If you became a admin what would you do?TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 19:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Eliminate the garbage from this wiki, such as articles that have improvement templates on them that haven't been edited in over 2 months. Also, I would delete articles with no information (AKA onlyinfobox).  The list really goes on Troy.
 * How would you improve the community by your Adminship?
 * Remove the worthless articles, and basically clean up. This wiki is in desperate need of cleanup.
 * What would you change about this site (one thing) as Admin?
 * Change the policies on articles. I beleive we are too lenient with some of them.  (I won't reveal my plan, as I don't want any other admin taking credit for it.  You'll just have to trust me.)
 * Will you promote IRC meets as Admin?
 * I will do my best in promoting any community events.
 * A vandal vandalizes an article by blanking the page and replacing it with "poop". How long do they deserve to be banned?


 * One Day, but perhaps a warning would be better.
 * A user tries to nominate an FA article, even though the article hasn't been a good article yet (which is now a requirement). You remove the nomination, but he is persistent and refuses to listen to you, and continues to nominate the article. How should he be punished (or not)?

(A warning at first, then a minor ban.)
 * Inform him of the policies regarding articles and request that he bring it to the GA forum. Add that if he continues to defy the administrators he will be punished.


 * A user creates an account and begins to write some articles. He then gets vandalized; in retaliation, the user vandalizes the vandals pages back. How do you handle the situation?


 * Inform the vandalized user that two wrongs don't make a right, and the vandal that if he continues his vandalism he will be dealt with accordingly.

Have you had previous admin experience? Pinky49 Talk
 * Not on the web. But I oversaw my confirmation class, organizing us and keeping us on track.  (This next part may help) - When I was in school, if the teachers had to step out, I was the one they placed in charge, if no other authority figure was available.

Question.Say the President of The United States or some aother major leader like that had an account on SWFanon.Would you expect him to be a good writer?If not would you think he is unfit for the leader position because he isn't a good writer?
 * A person's writing/typing skills should have no bearing on their abilities to make fair descisions.
 * Thanks for answering my question.