Star Wars Fanon:FanonProject/Project Cruentus









Project Aims:
1: Our goal is to create a minimum of three Featured articles, showing the large amount of effort we would like to see put into the project.

2: Create an extensive new and intriguing era.

3: Build a good relationship between users.

4: Most importantly, enjoy ourselves!

Please do join this project, for it will improve the wiki as a whole, and should be a lot of fun!

List of Participants:

 * Darth tom
 * Obi maul12
 * Arav the Undersith
 * Unit 8311
 * Troyb
 * Squishy Vic
 * Gnosis is knowledge

Articles:
If you create an article for this project, please add to the article.


 * Project Cruentus
 * Cruentusian War
 * Darth Undersith
 * Zion
 * Gresk
 * Orskasp and related articles
 * Ranasha
 * Elthior-class IV Assault Frigate
 * Eborax
 * Zayre
 * Necasian Military
 * Srav Federation
 * Jasef Yuiln
 * Ivran Gresev
 * Sviat

Timeline
Once articles start being created, a timeline may also be created

Discussion

 * Please discuss all collaborations and matters of continuity here. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think, since it is your idea,why dont you first make the The Cruentusian War era?--Arav the Undersith (Contact Me ) (Battles I've Fought ). 06:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I also would like to be apart of Project Cruentus, but only to give ideas. Not to write articles. I am now putting my time into my first ever aricle, Arav, which I made when I was using my old account General Arav. I can still give ideas and my opinions, when you need it.--Arav the Undersith (Contact Me ) (Battles I've Fought ). 06:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry? Make the era? This is a community thing, and what do you mean by 'making the era'? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry, my mistake. I forgot it was a community thing . Thats why it was made!--Arav the Undersith (Contact Me ) (<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 07:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I would like to make articles for project Cruentus. Sign me up!--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 07:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Also you need to make a timeline.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 07:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Timeline? Not yet. If you look, neither of the articles have history sections, and there's not enough articles yet for a timeline. You are able to sign yourself up, but I'll do it! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 07:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. My articles will be small and some will be big but now im going to focus on Arav and Project Crentus. They are my main goals. Im just glad im apart of this wonderfull idea. Just with others would sign up too. Ill ask around.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 08:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I gave many people who have not been reconised the Invite. Such as Tesh,Shadophobia and Darth Ultima.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 09:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Obi Maul12 ( Meet a Warrior) (talk to me) 12:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have decided to contribute to this, although for the time being I won't be massively doing so. Unit 8311 11:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 12:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I will contribute to this once I get some good work done on a new project that I'm currently typing in word, my own. Plus, nice, using flamingtext! I used the same font on             my wiki.
 * First things first. Shouldn't a category be created for articles of this project? Unit 8311 12:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly: Obi maul, I got the site from your old sig, so thanks for that! Secondly, Unit 8311, yes, a category should definitely be made, didn't think of that! However, what would we categorize the category as? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 12:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Simple: Category:Project Cruentus articles. Shall I do it now? Unit 8311 12:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please do, but remember that you need to categorize the category. Thanks once again. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 13:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Categorized the articles too. Unit 8311 13:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! I'll just go and change the top bit. Thanks once again Unit! Now all we need is an Era icon... [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 13:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll uplode any of the pics you need for the article, and maybe write alittle of the article as well.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 13:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine! Maybe at last I'll be able to write an article including the amazing Prophet of Truth! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 13:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of creating Cruentusian War article. It's very rudimentary right now, yes, but hopefully it'll expand once the project gets going. Unit 8311 17:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've created Project Cruentus, so it may properly be linked to rather than to the forum when speaking of it in behind the scenes or in the category or whatever. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">talk 18:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, I have removed the thumb from "Project Cruentus" (smokey font) as it's useless and I think it looks better without it. Tell me what you think. -- Obi Maul12 ( Meet a Warrior) (talk to me) 23:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for joining Troyb. Tom you missed out on messaging these people, Like: Darth Ultima‎, Darth Nyne‎, Shadowphobia‎, General Grham‎, Gnosis is knowledge‎, Troyb‎, Michaeldsuarez‎, Tesh Vohore‎, Ryluk Shouja‎ and Darth tader‎. They shall not be forgotten,less we forget.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 00:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah thanks Obi maul; it's much better. And thanks Vic, that's great.[[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So Tom, you say you want to include the prophet of Truth in this hmm? Well maybe you should include all the prophets and rename them. Also perphaps they could be leaders of an enemy Empire, I have a logo all lined up if you want to see it.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 18:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ugh, please no damn crossovers. And I say we propose a new logo. The one with the three Jedi (Tot Doneeta and whoever the others are) is weak, and I fail to see how it represents the project anyway. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">talk 18:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well we'll see what Tom says. Anyway if your looking for a new logo, how about this?TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 18:39, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No no, Troyb. You don't understand. This is a community-wide project, where all those participating and involved collaborate to make decisions. Tom started the project, but it's not up to him alone to decide. I highly oppose crossovers, and that's my opinion on that. As for the logo, no; We'll have to actually wait and see what content is created in order to eventually develop a logo, in my opinion. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">talk 18:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Very well.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 18:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As Vic says, I'm not the be all and end all. I merely started this. And the logo (No offence meant) is pretty random. And may I ask who made the crossover? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are some websites that I think are good logos. There are too many to uplode now.
 * Yes, I also think that this project needs a new logo. I think there should be a pic saying, Project Cruentus needs you to help us achieve our glorys goals or something like that with a picture of Manderlore. Or a ship with clone troopers in it and some are jumping out with one pushing them out. Like in the army people are in a ship and they land in the peek of battle with bullets are comeing everywhere and the commander is saying MOVE MOVE. I think my second idea is the better idea in this paragraph.



also there are 2 more images but they dont appear on the website so tipe this into google if you want to see them. There are realy good ones.

Star Wars: Clone Wars - Volume Two -it is the first image and this one Games Star Wars The Clone Wars .--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 04:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Please properly format links, otherwise, its screws up the forum and looks bad overall. As for those ideas, I don't like them. I've had enough of clones and the Clone Wars already. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">talk 05:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I too am no fan of the Clone Wars series; I think we need something new. Bear in mind we also need an era icon, so we need some good images. As it's a war, I've always liked the main picture for NK's Battle of Almania article, however, if you guys agree, we'll have to ask his permission. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh thats ok. Just ideas. How have you had enough with the clone wars anyway. But Episode 2 was crap compared to the other movies. Thats what i think. Also this image is cool for a logo.




 * well there my other ideas.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Also I have many more!  

JJust look at them. I have another one but I cant find the website but ill keep looking.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 07:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * 10 and 17 aren't so bad, but I'm no fan of the others; don't know what you guys think. Oh, and thanks Unit for making the Cruentusian War articles free edit. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. By the way, I have no problem with the current logo, but out of the suggestions Arav provided, I'd go with 15 or 17. Unit 8311 18:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've had enough Clone Wars because that's all I see now and days, and frankly they're overrated, especially the cartoon and the upcoming film/TV show based on it. Too much crap squashed into Star Wars Canon. (Anakin has an apprentice yet she has no mention in the films? Hm, lame.) As for the logos, I don't really like any of them, minus 17, but that's someone's picture already for their own project. Also, I removed "free-edit" from Cruentusian War. That article is the basis of the entire project, so of course it's free edit. Any articles under Category:Project Cruentus articles that aren't claimed by a specific author should automatically free edit. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">talk 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * May I ask which project 17 is used for, and how we claim articles as our own? Whilst I'll leave some free-edit, there are some, such as Zayre, which I don't want edited. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Whatever the image may have been. It's not from SWF, that's for sure. Anyway, what I meant by claim is with the category "Articles by Darth tom" or "articles by Unit 8311" and such. Those would be our own articles, as usual, just part of Project Cruentus. Anyway, I saw that you asked above about who made a crossover; well, no one did. I said that I just don't approve of crossovers, since you suggested bringing in the Prophet of Truth (from Halo) and Troyb said he wanted to bring in the other prophets as well with name changes. I was just saying that if we're going to do this, let's be original and not bring in crossovers. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">talk 19:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have no interest in making plagueristic articles; all I meant is use images of him for an article. So, why may we not use the image if it's not used for another project? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Using fan work for articles is one thing, but using fan made images for projects and claiming it as "our logo" is ridiculous. Like I said, first we should flesh out ideas and once we have a solid story going, make a logo based on the characters or war or whatever, as our own fan made logo. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree; I'm looking forwards to hammering out some articles! However, era icon, what about that? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I could make one with a simple "C" or something, for now, if we can agree on that. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you could, I don't think that anyone could have an argument. Once articles start being made then we can create a proper one. I'm looking forwards to starting the articles however! I trust everyone's ready to start discussing storyline and continuity? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, and yes, I'm ready. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, my ideas for the Zayre would be that the war would somehow cause an effect through the Dimensional Chasm, forcing them out. They would then participate in the war and, at the end, be given Ankarr. I also had some ideas for one faction trying to create a disease for germ warfare and the disease getting out of hand, however that's all I've thought of as yet. And yourself? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've uploaded and placed the era icon on all respective pages for now. As for your plot idea, I already don't like it, to be honest. I hate "extragalactic" stuff, because its like reliving the Yuuzhan Vong garbage all over again. Can't the Zayre just be a regular species? No need to make them all mythical and stuff, or else we're just forging Mary Sues, especially if they're going to be the heroes and stuff. As for plot, I haven't really thought of anything myself. I'll just comment on others' ideas for now. I do like your germ/biological warfare idea, although it'd have to be a plausible disease. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 03:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. With the Zayre, they would be extragalactic, but they would have heavy problems adapting to this Dimension, and they wouldn't be the proper 'heroes' of the war, as they would be forced into it, and I never said they'd be heroes. They would merely participate. I'm willing to accept any ideas anyone may have to the contrary for the Zayre, as I too was no fan if the Yuuzhan Vong going around saying: WE are the Yuuzhan Vong!!! We came mysteriously from another galaxy to eat your brains!!! And thanks for uploading the icon. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 05:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys for looking at the images i've found!! I have some others but ill have to find them. Also I cant find that website for the image im looking for! It is realy good. Its a squadren of stormtoopers running up a hill firing red lasers up and blue lasers coming down to the stormtroopers. Also a man is in the middle holding a laser gun wearing a green uniform and staring directly to the viewer, while yelling. Its realy good! I was thinking if I uplode the image with no source then you look at it then delete it? If it is able to be seen when deleted then just delete it straight away. Vic, because your an admin, what should I do?--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith  <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Tom, I haven't read through this entire thing so if you addressed it then I apologize, but what's the point of having an extragalactic group? Why not just have them be an undiscovered species from Wild Space or the Unknown Regions? You should never make something extragalactic without a very good reason, because there's just too much room for it to become stupid like the Vong. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  [[Image:Presidentialseal.gif|27px]] <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 06:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I haven't adressed it, thank you for pointing it out; the Zayre were designed to have come from the Dimensional Chasm because of my articles Rufar Kakhuzi, Sela Kerroro and Morwyn Zamorr tying in, but now that is irrlevant. Deep space or the Unknown regions is a much better idea; thank you. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That's what I was saying, as I said above: "Can't the Zayre just be a regular species?" Extragalactic crap FTL. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 06:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey viv can you answer my last question? About the unfindable image? --<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[] [] [] Oh some Stark Hyperspace War images!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] And now some more images not related to the last 6 images. They are the Jedi Civil Wars images! [] [] [] [] Now some other stuff [] [] [] [] I have a lot more images so just enjoy the cool pictures. [] [] [] [] [] There are more pics in the Great Sith Article. Ill get more later![] I think the last is cool but I like my old Glory for the sith one. Well happy looking!--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are some other images also what is the 17th pic I did? It only goes up to 16 well before I do al these images, enjoy?


 * Can you stop posting images, please? We'll decide on one later, when articles and content is more flesh out. Thanks. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 07:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Those article's I have wrote are just small obviously and I dont really care what happens to them, like if there compleatly changed. Also Darth Undersith is pritty much a name sake article but I dont really care if it is compleatly. I am giving my name sake article to this project. Undersith sounds cool so why not put it in this project. Also what is the 17th link that you guys were talking about before? Before I added all those new ones in MY last paragraph. Tom,Unit and Vic liked? It was only up to 16?--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 09:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Well its goodnight for me so have a good look at those pics. Anyway I think Vics the only one on now because the rest are at highschool or something else. So vic, look at those images, there pritty cool. Just enjoy everybody else!--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 09:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Plz stop dissin d Yuhzhan Vnong plz! Tehy r teh awesomest, kwlest in d galaxy! <Cue therapy for retardation> Anyway, thanks you two for the work on articles, but I found some aspects of Zion unbelieveable, and not in a good way. Sorry Vic, I didn't notice that was what you meant. I'm very busy tonight, so I won't be able to do anything until tomorrow, when I'll change Zayre. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 15:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I did find time to fix Zayre. I thought of the idea that the disease I'm planning was what forced the Zayre into the war. What do you guys think? Also, please leave that disease idea to me; I have high hoped for it as an article. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have created a new article: Gresk. It's not much, but in this early stage, I feel that anything goes, so to speak. Unit 8311 17:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I'll join this project. I have a few ideas that I could add onto this. -- Knowledge the Article Writer talk 22:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to say welcome aboard and thankyou for joining.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 22:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

ALSO CAN SOMEBODY SHOW ME THE LINK OF 17 BECAUSE NOBODY HAS ANSWERED ME YET! THERE WERE ONLY 16 LINKS BEFORE I ADDED ALL THOSE OTHERE ONES! I HAVE ASKED 3 TIMES ALREADY AND NOBODY HAS ANSWERED my question! Also Vic could you answer my question 14 points above?--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 22:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, it was already been used for another project! But could somebody give me the link to that picture. If not could somebody just tell me the other project using that 17th image?Thankyou.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 22:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Further Discussion
Time for a new discussion section


 * Arav, please don't jam this forum up with caps; if you have a question, please ask it! And, to Gnosis, thank you for joining. Unit 8311 or Squishy Vic, do you fancy collaborating with me on the disease article? Unit, you have experience in this area, and Vic you have brilliant all round experience, so do either of you fancy collaborating? Oh, and my edits making a new discussion section have only appeared to me, so sorry for the multiple edits. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have some knowledge of microbiology, so I can add some if you give me some guidelines. Unit 8311 19:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll assist. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Three way collab's good. I'll just go and add Article by Squishy Vic and Articles by Unit 8311 to it now. Storyline ideas anyone? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For the disease, perhaps something that attacks the kidneys and causes renal failure. Or perhaps something that eats away at the aorta. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I like it, but what about one that attacks the nervous system? We also have to make this so that it's believable, and I was thinking along the lines that some military took the disease that destroyed the Rakatans and tried to change it, but it got out of control. What do you think? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the nervous system is broad, so you'd have to be more specific. And I think the whole military deal is too cliché, so I'm going to oppose it. How about it was the disease that killed the Rakatans (or at least destroyed their knowledge and Force-sensitivity) and Humans (and other species) thought they couldn't be affected, but, duh, they were wrong. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I will also be able to assist on this article, although I won't be working on it while you guys are laying the groundwork, as I'm rapidly working on other articles. -- Obi Maul12 ( Meet a Warrior) (talk to me) 19:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to let you all know, I removed "Articles by Squishy Vic" from Taedium Detrimentum because for all Project Cruentus articles, I will not claim them, unless it's a character that I worked on my own entirely. So tom, please do not add it to any collaborative articles in the future. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry. Yeah, I like the idea of the Rakatan disease affecting humans too, however what would be the reason for it being destroyed after the war? We'd have to come up with one of them. And by the nervous system, I merely meant that it attacks the nerves and causes paralysis and death. (In cases) This would be RR's forte! Anyway, what would be our reasons for it going, and what shall we say its effects are? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Jesus Christ. Are you guys just ignoring me? I ahve asked the same question so many times and nobody answers! So ill ask it again. What was the 17th image before I posted all those other ones.The ones Vic,Unit and I think tom liked. Please answer. Also I am currently working on Ranasha. It could be the main area where armys,warlords and gangs hide from enemys.Also did you guys just think of a diesase after I mentioned it in that article?But please answer my question. Its driving me crazy!--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 05:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, yes, I was ignoring you. You are driving this off topic, but to shut you up, it's 15 now. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 06:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a bit to the disease article. I still don't like the name, so how about changing it to something more disease-y. Some ideas: Eborax, Synapsal Destruction Syndrome (SDS), or Utropinal Gangiliation Pathogen (UGP). If you want, I can draw upon experiance and think up some silly ones. Unit 8311 07:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for ignoring me. I just wanted to know along time before. I just wanted to know. What is the problem wanting to know. You have draged it along because you were ignoring me. You could of let me know when I first asked it. It had meaning then. I just wanted to know. Thankyou and .--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 07:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh shut up and stop acting like a four year old girl. If you're really that desperate to find out an answer to your question, put it on someone's talk page. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 15:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm with Brandon. Didn't it say anything to you that no one at all was replying? I didn't give a damn about a missing image then, and I don't now. This is the forum for discussing project cruentus, not for going on about questions that no one cares about. And, Unit, thank you very much. I like Eborax and SDS, and the name taedium detrimentum is merely a Latin name which diseases have. I'm for Eborax or SDS though, Vic, how about you? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Eborax sounds good. UDPATE: I also like Synapsal Destruction Syndrome. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 18:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. So, what shall we call it? I personally prefer SDS, however what would you guys prefer? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I kinda think Eborax would be better, but I'll leave tom to make the final desicion. Either would suit me. Unit 8311 18:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not the chief or anything! Well, let's see what Vic says. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Eborax was my first choice too. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 18:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, Eborax it is then. Unit 8311 19:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Why would you put "Latin name" when you're writing in the Star Wars universe? That would be OOU content which has no place outside of the BtS section. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 20:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is. Shall we keep taedium Detrimentum as the Latin name, so the article would be called Eborax (Taedium Detrimentum) as diseases have latin names for classification? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really like that idea, as latin obviously doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe, but we can put it in the BTS or something. Unit 8311 19:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. We could just put in in the intro, and say: Eborax (Latin name Taedium Detrimentum) or we could just say that it's classification names was TD? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had't thought of that previously, which is why I'm suggesting it be changed to Classification Name. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry guys for waseting your time with that question.Also yes, Brandon your right, I should have posted the question on somebodys talkpage. With the new disease name, I agree with Eborax for a name with Taedium Detrimentum in brackets.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, the name should just go in the behind the scenes, as the original name. UPDATE: I updated the article with a behind the scenes, as I don't believe it needs a "classification" name. We can change it if we agree to it, I suppose, but I see no purpose. Besides, as Unit said on the aricle's talk page, it sounds more like a metal anyway. So much, in fact, that there is a Metal (music genre) band named "Detrimentum". [[Image:Tongue.gif]]--<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 23:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering if the disease is only able to affect Rakata or can it affect other species? I think it should just affect Rakata because it would kill armys and armys of people battling of planets with the diease on it--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 05:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I never knew a band called that. Well, thanks for updating it. And it affects humans too, that's the whole point. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought it kills Rakata and thats why their empire is open. When the Cruentsion, forgot how to spell it war comes is the disease sill in planets in the Rakata area. Like I called the the system Yathanus System, and could that be where the planest and most of the war is to fight over the empire. Is the Star Forge sill intact? Also so it first thought by warlords and armies to take over the  Rakata Infinite Empire but later on it is now a battle for supremacy? Please explain. Also could people try to help me out with Ranasha. I need some help with the cities. Each city is controled by different factions. Like Yunpan City is owned by and Rodian army (Deaths Tounge). And one city could be owned by an Sith army. So on. Soil De Damp should be a area owned by the republic and is very muddy. That is my request. Also I need help with pictures. I need images for each city. If that is possible. I know its a lot but its the main planet for hiding from enemy fleets. It has the perfect environment.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith  <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The name is at the top of the forum and you forgot how to spell it? Anyway, before I even consider helping out on Ranasha, you need to fix up the tense. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor  <font color="#0C003F">discuss 06:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, laugh at the 4 year old girl . Seriously I will fix up the tense and I will now on press the edit the whole page not just the last section. --<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 07:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it really depends on what you're planning to do. Is it just one person essentially deciding what a particular faction does in a war? Do they also come up with all of the information about a faction? If that's the case, then there's nothing wrong with that. If that's not the case, can you explain it? - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 19:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC) Yes, because that's just essentially a colaboration. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 19:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Before I even think about editing, I want to see commitment. And it's the whole galaxy where the war is fought, not just some small little system. And I don't think that the Star forge or any other super weapon should be included (I don't know about you guys), as it's all too easy to turn this into a: Teh awesomest miltary in d world abnd galaxy fonud teh Star Froge and rulde teh galaxy forever It should be believable. I also think that we should start thinking about actually building up the groundwork; so far, we've been focusing on articles individually rather than the whole storyline, so i think that we should establish each military group and its background, as well as the story of the war, to stop this from becoming a disorganized mess. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I say we establish some ground rules first of all. I think that each big participator should make their own faction, but each one should be relatively weak and small, so no 'uber awsome mega-empires that are so l33t and ZOMG and pwn everyting' factions. Once that is done, we should start thinking about how they get connected and how the war develops, and which faction survive and which not. And (and I know this is being somewhat pre-emptive) I think it should all end with one big massive battle involving all the factions, or at least the surviving one. But, like I said, we should establish some guidelines first. Unit 8311 18:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Unit, I'm going to ask nicely; how did you get inside my head and read my thoughs? I too believe that each participant should be in control of a faction, very like the Star Wars RP, but we'll need the admins go ahead, as it may count as clanning. Whilst I like the idea of a battle, I don't think it should be all the factions; just the few that survive the war. To all participants, please check the Alliance of Fanon. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, it's just my uber-awesome force telepathy powers. Yeah, you make a point, we'll either have to make it less clan-like, or, if the policy becomes really restrictive, try and amend it, but that'll have to be a really desperate last resort. But anyway, I say participants start to present ideas for their factions, that or just go ahead and make them and then present them here for feedback. Unit 8311 19:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Vic or Brandon will undoubtedly see this, so they'll be able to tell us if it's a violation. Unit, please check the Alliance of Fanon; I'd appreciate it if you could come. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I already have, and like I said there, I should hopefully attend. Anyway, let's get down to business. First, I say we need guidelines for the factions. I think it should go something like this: they should occupy no more than a system or part of a sector; each faction may not have any asset that automatically renders it superior to the others; the military of each faction should not be overly large or powerful in a way that it could be superior to the others. God, that just sounded like Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Unit 8311 19:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Anyway, I think that's a good plan; I'm going to message Rhea straight after this for clarification and, as we carry on the Project, each faction will either be crushed or will gain more territory/power. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be, in essence, one user coming up with information about a faction and deciding what they did in a war, although all other participants would have a say. So that would be fine? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for that Rhea. So tom, do you think we should apply my faction guidelines idea, or do you think it still needs a bit more discussion? Unit 8311 20:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Brandon. Yeah, whilst I'm for your idea, I believe that we should allow at least one other user a say before we apply this decision. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, no Star Forge or anything like that. That'd be simply way too ridiculous. The guidelines you outlined, Unit, are fine by me. And guys, as long as we write fanon and discuss it here, and not act like we're role playing or the head of a clan for reals, then it's not "clanning" and therefore it's simple collaboration, as Brandon said. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 20:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh good... So, shall we think of our own military groups and list them here, or brainstorm groups together? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Seeing as Vic agrees, let's make my guidelines official (we can always alter them if someone doesn't like them) and start generating ideas. Going by the idea that each participant will have their 'own' faction, so to speak, I'll present my idea for my own: the Srav Federation, which will be a Soviet Union-esque faction based on a former Rataka weapons dump world, and whilst not being overly numerous in military numbers, is quite aggressive, and has a lot of nuclear technology at its disposal, but views itself as a bigger threat then it actually is. Let's hear some other ideas from other people, then we'll start thinking how to wrap them together. Unit 8311 20:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Mine is for the Necasian Military, a group based around creating a monarchy empire over the galaxy, with crime and slavery in full legality. It has many members, but the weapons aren't as good, and they manufacture there own weapons in a very costly way, so they don't have so many yet. They scavenge what they can from the Rakatans, and are based on a Planet near the Core worlds. They view themselves as the rightful heirs to the Rakatan mantle, as they would continue the Rakatans legacy. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, great ideas guys! So, I know the war is spread around the entire galaxy. Good that we are finally thinking about factions and armys. I first mentioned army bases in my article Ranasha. I think my first mentioned army was Death’s Tongue, a rodian gang big on slavery and helping the sith get information, (have not expanded it yet). I think there should be a sith faction, the are not affiliated with the Dark Lord of the Sith or really any sith faction. The are simply a group of 10000 sith lords, knights, blade masters, etc. The are looking for remanets of Rakata artefacts and find how the force began. I think that some Rakata can use the force but they are dead. The sith are also looking for information on how the force came. Also what should the republic do? Are we going to involve them or are they not existence because the War is almost 5000 years before the republic is formed. But if we are leaving out the building Star Forge could we involve the republic because it is Fanon. If you don’t want the building Star Forge then why not add the unknown Republic. Oh before the republic is formed, the Jedi Order is fighting for peace and justice. The Jedi Order should be involved from stopping on ground battles from happening involving civilians. Also what about space travel. When did that come and when did Light speed come. Because its fanon but writing with Canon in it. So we can pretend stuff happened.  We could say the Star Forge plans never happened. The species were killed before they could start to talk about the star forge. Please explain.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith  <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 00:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Does the Timeline have to be created? Also is somebody going to create the Cruentus Era yet?--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 02:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 1000 Sith Lords? To me that just sounds improbable. And the tmeline won't be created for some time, and the Cruentus Era anyone may do. In the war, if it's OK, I'll also have the Zayre, but they won't be affiliated with the Necasian Military. Whilst I don't think a few Sith is a bad idea, an army if them is just improbable. And the Republic isn't around. The Rakatan Empires just collapsed, and there's no way a Republic could have been formed in that short a time years. Like the Synopsis says, the galaxy's a messed up, war torn mess. And to adress your second point, the Star Forge won't be just gone, it'll just be undiscovered. Yes lightspeed's around and the Jedi Order? Well, that's one ot discuss. What do you guys think of that? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 05:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

For battles, what planets are battled on? I have mentioned Ranasha and Zion but really we need to create factions more then species and individuals. Also I really need to discuss factions as Darth Tom first mentioned. Also what can bounty hunters be involved in.--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea. Thanks. There should be a Jedi faction but not an order. It could just be a group of Jedi knights, padwans, masters and stuff, fighting on there home worlds to protect civilians and native species. I oppose an order, just different Jedi fighting on their own home world. With sith, yes an army is not too good. There could be like a sith faction called Disciples of the Dark Side or Disciples of the Sith.


 * Also is Ranasha fixed up enough to be helped on? Vic, Tom?--<font color=Persian red>Arav the Undersith <font color=Blue>(<font color=Silver>Contact Me ) <font color=Black>(<font color=Black>Battles I've Fought ). 06:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, when I have time I will help on Ranasha. About planets, we're discussing storyline all the time, and planets are being ade. They'll be battles on any planet artiocle you create for that purpose; and with the Jedi. An order's not good, you're right, and neither's the Sith. A few factions, yes, but disorganized. And Arav, you want the Death's Tongue Militia, am i right? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 07:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So Darth Tom, any ideas for our Unknown Sith lord? I was thinking it was Darth Nihilus back when he had a body, since he didnt have a body in KOTOR2. TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 12:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nihilus won't be alive for another few centuries, so I was thinking of someone completely fresh. A guy filled with anger because he was enslaved by the Rakatans and later escaped, but I have no solid name ideas. You got any good ones? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 12:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll let you create the human name, I'll create the sith name.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 12:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe his human name could be Karl Kroenen, and his sith name could be Darth kryylow.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 12:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the name Kroenen, but not Karl. i think we should change Karl to something else. Another name to consider: Darth Ultionis. So, which one? Kryylow or Ultionis, and I think we should change the first name. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 12:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Kroenen? Sorry, Troyb, but we've already got an article about a cyborg ninja Nazi. Anyway, Tom, do we think we should start creating articles about our factions, as stubs at least? Unit 8311 13:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah, I think we should. I've already started Zayre, and I'll start the military one later. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 13:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've started Srav Federation. I've tried uploading an insignia but for some reason it doesn't come up. Unit 8311 14:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm kinda busy at the moment, but I'll get round to writing it in a while. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 15:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm back, here is my idea. We only use his name and pics and then we make his battle blades into lightsabers. I know there is an article already but I think its a good idea. His name doesnt have to be Kroenen, but we use pics of him.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 16:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Further Discussion

 * OK, firstly: Troy, please don't message me every time you post in this forum; I will check. Secondly, pictures of who? You've lost me. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I just finished football and I had afew ideas I had to tell you. I was hoping we could use pics of the Kroenen guy, just replace his battle knifes with lightsabers, so he could look like a sith assasian. If you go to youtube and search up Kroenen, you will know what I mean.TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 17:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if you could get these lightsabers put in so that they look good (Please don't have a Darth Tyler style image) then I'll agree. Now we need to discuss storyline. Oh, and I made the Necasian Military article, but the image screwed up, so help would be welocme. It doesn't fit the userbox. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see the image. Heh, no way. Why the hell do we want a Nazi with lightsabers? No, I think a new image is needed. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed that image for you, tom. Next time, don't put a thumb in the infobox. Unit 8311 17:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Like the image? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How about of pic of palpatines sith master?TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 17:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * For the Sith article? If you can find a good one, and show me. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Plagueis_head.jpg   TroybAllSpark Quest contribs[[Image:ProphetofRegret.jpg|25px]] 17:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like that one; that would do well. Now all we need is names. What will be his name name, and what will be his Sith name? Darth Kryloww or Darth Ultionis? I'm going out for this evening, but I'll check the forum again either later, or tomorrow. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No such thing as Sith or Darth in this time period. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 20:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is me, Darth tom, and I'm saying that a Sith could be introduced, as a way of expressing our views on how they were founded. 79.77.61.187 20:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I disagree. Considering the Sith don't exist for another 20,000 years. Perhaps a "Darth" since the word, at least in my continuity, was created through the Rakatan language, could exist, but he couldn't call himself a Sith, since the Sith came about after the merger of Dark Jedi and the actual Sith species. --<font color="#9F0500">Victor <font color="#0C003F">discuss 20:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

While I'm not part of this project really, I find that to be a very bad idea. There's nothing wrong with contradicting some parts of canon, in my opinion, but having Sith earlier than the Hundred Year Darkness is something I've never liked. - <font color="#1A2BBB">President Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(Pressroom) <font color="#1A2BBB">(Record) 20:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Would you guys disagree with a dark Jedi? 79.77.61.187 21:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that the takes place circa 24,500 BBY.-MPK 21:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)