Star Wars Fanon:Featured articles/Request for Seership archive/TK-999

Support (2 Seers/4 users/6)

 * 1) I have recently taken up reviewing good and featured nominations. In doing so I have found that most of the members of the council of seers are not active.  Nacen hasn't edited since January 20, 2010 and hasn't edited CoS related since December 28, 2009. Unit8311 hasn't edited since July 31, 2010 and hasn't edited CoS related since January 22, 2010. JediCommando hasn't edited since May 26, 2011 and hasn't edited CoS related since February 6, 2011 –  However, his most recent edit was a resignation request to Brandon Rhea. Drewton hasn't edited since June 21, 2011 and hasn't edited CoS related since October 12, 2010. Solus hasn't edited since July 7, 2011 and hasn't edited CoS related since December 20, 2010.  Trak Nar hasn't edited CoS related since June 16, 2011.  Brandon Rhea, Goodwood, Darth Wylind, and Bluethunder213 are the only active members, but they haven't even worked on all of the nominations yet.  Due to this, I feel that there is need of new reviewers.  I am not necessarily saying that these inactive members must be demoted off of the CoS.  However, I propose the election of TK-999 who has shown good skills reviewing.  He has done quality reviews, and he will continue.  He knows the manual of style and layout guide very well, and he has done this sort of work before on Wookieepedia.  He also has his own pending featured article nomination.  I believe he can help us get these nominations moving, and help keep them at high quality, but that is for the rest of you to decide.  -- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes  19:41, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Karohalva (Talk) 19:48, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) I will assume good faith and take TK at his word that he's going to be active. However, I do still want to talk to him again about how best to communicate in objections. My apologies if I sound arrogant or self-righteous, TK, but as you know from times we've chatted before it's something I feel is important in jobs like this. - Brandon Rhea  Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 20:56, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Since seers are stepping down, he gets my vote.-- Josh Bender щ(ﾟДﾟщ) 03:38, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) I've been thinking about this long and hard. TK is a good reviewer and I do believe he will continue with providing helpful reviews for the Fanon community. -Bluethunder Contact 19:10, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) I finally have changed my mind. I guess we could use him.  Seb  olto  19:13, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose (2 Seers/1 users/3)

 * Weak oppose. I think right now the numbers we have are more than adequate. It takes a little while, but there's nothing wrong with that. One additional Seer is not going to suddenly spur everyone else to review faster, nor is one additional Seer going to spur a sudden increase in FA nominations. Now, there's nothing wrong with more Seers, so my main current point of opposition is this: TK was gone from the wiki for two months and has only been back for a few weeks now. I can't vote to support this without knowing whether he's going to be here or be gone again, at least not yet. Additionally, I do still feel he needs to work on the way he communicates with other users, especially if he's going to be a Seer. However, as this is a weak oppose, I could change my opinion if I see an argument that persuades me. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 20:36, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) Seeing as how the middle argument point supports my viewpoint on UotM, I have to oppose this for now.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 20:50, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) As Brandon said, TK needs to work on his communication skills, particularly his availability. IMHO, a good Seer spends time on IRC, where it's often quicker and can be much easier to resolve objections; they also spend a decent amount of time per week browsing or editing the wiki. In addition to this, I feel that TK still has work to do regarding the kinds of objections which are acceptable and which are "personal preference." Seers do have some small amount of leeway in regards to so-called  edits&mdash;these are most often in the form of small tweaks that help to make an article's prose flow a bit better without changing the information itself. TK does seem to want to help, and this is never a bad thing. Maybe next time, mate.  21:00, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Per Goodwood. While I admit ignorance on the whole "communication" problem, I can say from experience that I've had a run-in with some personal objections. Also, while Wookiepedia can be a great example for deciding new Seers, it really isn't an absolute factor. Articles on SWFanon and Wookieepedia are, in some ways, very much alike, but are in other ways very different. He does seem to make some good faith edits and know how to review nominations, but his skills need sharpening. More specifically, his objections are based off of personal preference at times and, like a number of other active reviewers, he seems "that's POV" crazy. This is not a definite "no," it's just a "not right now, not until he improves." -- D.W. (talk)(Glorior) 22:22, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to watch the candidate and other users a little more closely when it comes to GA/FA nominations. Like Wylind, this in not a definite no, but just not right now. -Bluethunder Contact 23:48, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tacking on more people is just a bad idea.-- Josh Bender щ(ﾟДﾟщ) 00:25, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * While I love TK, having "grown up" with him simultaneously on this wikia, I must say I agree with all the others. Do we really need another Seer? The ones we have do an excellent job as it is...  Seb  olto  01:48, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
"So, I would accept a nomination, but the lack of nominations may pose as a counter-argument"

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Just to make it clear, TK accepted this nomination via IRC. -- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes 19:41, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

To Brandon: As for the number of seers we currently have, you need all of the active ones to vote in order for it to pass. (Otherwise you need most of the active ones and probably Trak to vote.) TK has told me he intends to stay, though you'll have to take his word for it on that one. "Additionally, I do still feel he needs to work on the way he communicates with other users, especially if he's going to be a Seer." I'm not sure I really understand what you're talking about.-- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes 20:52, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * TK will understand what I'm talking about in regards to the last point, which is why he should be addressing it&mdash;same with him saying he's going to be active, he should say that here too. As for the active ones, we also have the Signed template, which I use for Solus with her permission. As all of the active Seers + the templated Solus vote are available, we actually have more than enough. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 20:53, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure TK would be happy to restate his activeness here.-- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes 21:07, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Trak is active Savage...more active than Bluethunder actually. And with Thunder's return, that is five seers.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 20:55, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, she's active as a contributor, and more so than Bluethunder. When it comes to CoS, however,  Bluethunder is more active than she is.-- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes  21:07, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

To Goodwood: He comes on the IRC sometimes, and will gladly come on if he is asked to. He spends lots of time formatting, fixing, and helping articles. As for his objections, that's probably just something he could use a little work on. I'm sure with time he can figure out which ones are and which ones aren't. Nobody is perfect, you shouldn't expect TK to be.
 * Regarding IRC: the time zone difference between the continental USA&mdash;the main location of users&mdash;and Hungary makes such communications harder. Also, my summer activity might see some setbacks, but I am active during weekends plus two or three other days. TK999 —[Discuss] 21:10, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, you are mistaken Savage. Trak has always been more active on the Seer side than Bluethunder. In fact, aside from Goodwood, she is the most active Seer available. Just because she doesn't post things on the CS page, doesn't mean anything. She is notorious for copy-editing the articles and then voting. And because TK lives in Central Europe, he will never really be able that IRC Seer that Goodwood mandates. (That is not a non-endorsement by me)- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 21:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you say so. I'm not here to argue about who does more and how.-- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes  21:19, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The fact is, all the people you mentioned + Trak are doing their jobs, so there's no need to debate the methods by which they do it. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 21:21, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I would not say that we do not have a need for new Seers, as a few more never hurt, though I would say that we do not have any likeable canidates at this time. -- D.W. (talk)(Glorior) 22:29, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

To Sebolto: I don't really think that's a good reason for opposing. We could use more quality Seers, such as TK, to continue helping the FAs and GAs along. Also, that really isn't the reason other people are opposing.-- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes 03:01, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am saying I agree with everyone else and then, in the next sentence, I list my own objection, that we don't really need him at the present moment.  Seb  olto  03:44, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I misunderstood your phrasing.-- SavageOpress1138  Help you I can, yes 13:21, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, is this a plus/minus thing or does it have to hit +5 at the end of the deadline to be accepted.- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 22:34, July 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * If Support has more votes than Oppose, the nomination is a success. If Oppose has more votes than Support, it fails. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 01:12, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

So it is plus/minus. What if it is a 0?- I'm the Chosen One You must see it... 01:22, July 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Zero means no consensus, which defaults to the nomination not passing. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 01:43, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * A week has passed now. Did the nom receive an extension? TK999 —[Discuss] 10:25, July 16, 2011 (UTC)