Forum:Clans to keep/delete

Voting will end on May 13, 2007. Please update the standings each time you vote.  Gnosis is knowledge said there should be a vote for which clans to keep/delete. If you know a clan, list it below and give a short description of what it is about, and we will decided to keep/delete.

If clan is voted into the negatives (such as -1) then the clan will be deleted; if it is voted into surplus or remains balanced at 0, then the clan won't be deleted, for now. A policy has been proposed to permanently ban the clans. Take a look and vote.

Also please tag the clans/orders with and it will come up like this:

Purpose
This is to help users out with CIS-related fanon.

Keep

 * 1) --[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete

 * 1) Doesn't seem like it's going to make it through, and truly its purpose will not be fulfilled. SV undefined
 * 2) Agree.
 * 3) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 23:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Its brand new,give use some time,or at least get more members because this is unfair.TroybTalk contribs 22:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Time for what exactly? SV undefined


 * Time too contrib,we just started it and we are waiting for more people,right now we have a project but need more people.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Can be done without the clan, as I said before. Me and CurrentBigThing have been working on a storyline together since he joined, and we don't need a clan to do it. neither do you nor Tyler. SV undefined
 * In your opinion.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not an opinion, it's a fact. SV undefined
 * No its not,its a opinion.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, its fact and I'll tell you why. Are you blocked from editing just because you don't have a clan? Do you have to have a clan to be able to edit or talk to other users and collaborate? Nope. You can edit without the clan, therefore, it's not needed, and therefore, it's fact. And if you're simply going to make statements without backup or proof, stop making them entirely. SV undefined
 * Well...I hope your happy when you delete the clans.Oh and yes you can edit with a clan,its a choice.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That wasn't what I asked. I said you can edit without the clan. Not having a clan doesn't prevent you from posting articles. SV undefined
 * I'm leaving this subject alone now.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't clans be optional?Like our sigs, we can edit without them and all the other stuff therefore sigs aren't needed but it is an option to have one.I mean the Clans aren't majorly affecting the community in a negative or positive way so why delete them?People are interested in clans so that should be reason enough to keep them.If the admins think it's best for clans to be deleted that's fine with me but I still think keeping a clan or deleting a clan isn't significant to the community
 * Interest in clans doesn't matter. This wiki is for writing SWFanon. Not making clans. Do that on myspace, livejournal, theforce.net, your own invision boards or something. Here is not the place. SV undefined


 * Then, in your logic, we should also bring fancy signatures to other websites too. After all, they are as useless as clans.&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 23:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No they aren't actually. Sigs provide links to a user page and talk page (and perhaps more) and therefore are useful. Clans on the other hand do nothing at all. SV undefined

I know this is ownly likely but clans could attract Users to this wiki which would help our community but hey you are right this Wiki is not really for social affairs.Well i guess it depends on the vote and i still stand at my original standpoint.Everyone has voted to do away with clans then they should all be deleted
 * I'm glad you understand the fact that SWFanon isn't for social affairs. SV undefined

Well since we are deleting all the clans can we still hsve the parties?Most of the time Users who meet at parties end up working on articles together

YES! KEEP THE PARTIES! Me and Troyb eventually started working on several articles together there, so Rayze is right.&mdash; Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina 03:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think having one day out of every 3 months or so to have a "party" would be fine, but it would be a Star Wars Fanon Party (not Mandalorian party or CIS party or Cantina party etc). That is, if parties were to remain, because I'm pretty sure it's been made clear this isn't the place for socializing daily and what not. SV undefined

Purpose
Unknown

Keep

 * 1) I don't think so.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 23:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Keep '''[[Image:Darth-T.gif]] (Talk to me) (My work)(Become a Jedi) [[Image:Verslinden.JPG|25px]] 12:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Keep. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 18:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Keep


 * 1) Keep! Darth Spack 06:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete

 * 1) Pointless. SV undefined
 * 2) Agree.
 * 3) I was going to vote neutral, but I guess I'm more oppose.--[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 23:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 23:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * Possible problem. The new voting rules will ban some newer users from voting. It ends on the 13th (same as this). The thing is, most of those new users are in clans, and they may vote to keep this. Which vote will end first?
 * I will end them both as soon as I get online on Sunday next week. SV undefined
 * But that wouldn't be fair, declining a whole bunch of users vote. But, thats life for you. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 02:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The voting rules won't apply to this election since the rule isnt active yet. SV undefined


 * Looks like we'll have to have a new vote sometime to delete any surviving clans...

Purpose
Unknown

Keep

 * 1) No you don't.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 23:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) I agree


 * 1) '''[[Image:Darth-T.gif]] (Talk to me) (My work)(Become a Jedi) [[Image:Verslinden.JPG|25px]] 02:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Keep!


 * 1) Yeah, Keep it!Darth Spack 08:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) This is a good clan. Ike Friend 22:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I am still here. Darthraul 23:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)Darthraul

Delete

 * Yes, it has no purpose. SV undefined
 * 1) Its a clan, so delete.
 * 2) It does absolutely nothing for the wiki.--[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 23:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 23:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Well it does it's own collaborative work, but after Rauls' leaving it has done nothing. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 00:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * Just give us some time and we will start to contrib again,right now we are trying to fix up gaps that need to be filled.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 00:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes we still need time to settle in from our election and our new second-in-command and our leader hasn't been on to my knowledge
 * Why? It's not like the clans/orders can do anything for SWF. SV undefined

Oh yes, currently do any of the clans do anything for the Order?
 * Yes,right now we are working on KOTOR IV but we need to recover from loses in the order,oh and vic clans do stuff for SW fanon but people whos mind are clouded don't see that.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 20:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me Troyb, what is it that the clans do for Fanon? Besides take up disk space, as Phoenix mentioned. SV undefined


 * Well it mostly a place for people to meet new friend work on giant project were everyone can pitch in and have fun,if you guy don't like that then I'm really surprised.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troy.jpg|20px]] 21:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Everyone can do that without a fan clan. Please understand that and be mature. Realize we are a community, and will not be divided by clans or groups. SV undefined
 * Its not a division. It's just a collaborative group.&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 21:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But what does it do as a group for Fanon? Whats so special about it? Nothing. The community can collaborate without these groups (and they do often times). SV undefined
 * You got me. Fine. I'm not gonna argue any further.&mdash;[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 21:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the worst thing ever,too have some users hard work to create this clan only to have it deleted by some admins who think it worthless,I have to say that the people who support this are crule to delete it.And everyone who suppots this remeber lots of people will hate you for this.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well too bad, because SWFanon isn't for fan clans. And it's not hard to create a page with HTML nor is it hard to message others asking them to join. SV undefined
 * Excuses,that all they are,excuses.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuses? Try policy. SV undefined


 * Sure,whatever you say but to me there excuses.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Does it really even matter if we keep the clans or not?They aren't affecting other users productivity or the community.I dont see why it's an issue.All articles and pages take up space and is there a limit to how much space we even have?If the clans are affecting the community please explain to me how I mean we create on big project as a clan it's not very important because any user can create a great big long article or project on their own even if one clan projects span many characters normal users can too and as i said before the other less productive clans aren't affecting the community besides space .Believe me, im not saying this because the Sith Order is being deleted, but if you're going to delete any of the clans, you should delete them all
 * Exactly Rayze. I voted to delete them all. SV undefined


 * Well I still oppose and rayze you should too.TroybTalk contribs[[Image:Troyb.jpg|20px]] 22:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As did I [to delete them all]. What I find REALLY funny is that the heads of certain clans (or those in it) will ask for all clans to be deleted except there own. In doing this, they are being hypocritical and missing the point that all clans do is take up Wikia disk space (thanks for that bit Jack P.) and this Wiki is really not for that kind of thing anyway. Is there a big glowing sign on the main page saying 'Write your fanon stories and create fan-clans here'? No. There are very, very, very many other sites to do it on (MySpace, Force.net, a fansite), and as to Troyb's comment, if they they want to hate us, then they can hate us. -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 00:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

hey Jack, calm down man. keep the clans, I dont really give a care what reason you do for it. It gives a break from the Boringness of wookieepedia. which i will gladly change to soon.

Signed xxxxxx Leader of the Sith Clan.


 * Um, did I ever give the impression I was angry? I didn't think so. And we are not just going to 'keep the clans' just because you said so, and if you find Wookieepedia boring, that really isn't our problem is it? -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]]

Purpose
I say the purpose was originally to help make and handle Mandalorian articles, then we became a more community thing. And we work on MPTG.

Keep

 * 1) I don't really know why, but it just feels like we should keep it.--[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 23:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Well MPTG, the Party, unfortunately the clan has fallen apart, but this was an original Fan Clan and just this one would be okay. Wookieepedia says it has all the rights to be here, here says all the rights to be at Myspace, I say can't have a myspace account and it does seem fun for members. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 00:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) This is the original clan. It deserves to be kept. Some people have been making useless clans. Mando Clan deserves to be kept and the orignal 3 should be kept.Darth Gree My Holobook    My Kills     [[Image:Darth_Gree_Trademark.JPG|35 px]] 20:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I like this clan! Ike Friend 22:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Keep it. Darthraul 00:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)Darthraul

Delete

 * 1) Yes.
 * 2) Agree. SV undefined
 * 3) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 23:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Delete but keep Path to Glory and the MPTG portal running. Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Delete but keep Path to Glory and the MPTG portal running. Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Delete but keep Path to Glory and the MPTG portal running. Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
In all honesty, all of these clans 'do nothing' for the community, and could be taken elsewhere. -- Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library
 * Should be taken elsewhere. Fanon is not the place for them. SV undefined


 * That's what I meant, of course. -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]]

This is the beggining history of the Fan Clans,. It should say why it happened, it's like 5 months old. Darth tader Mandalore clan MPTG  00:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * For the record, Tader, Wookieepedia assumed that SWFanon would let members have clans just because we're about fanon; well, they don't decide our rules, the SWF community does. And regardless of the fact that its the first clan, it still doesn't do anything for SWF. SV undefined
 * Also, even though it started out as a good idea (a 'clan' to unite SWF users to create an article, the MPTG) after MPTG fell apart (it hasn't been updated in eons) it just doesn't do anything anymore. Even if MPTG were to start back up, we don't need a clan to do it. -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 00:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well how can you say it fell apart, Tyler likes to work on sprites, me and C3PO have been working non-stop on it, Bub and Brain40 keft, and a lot of the others, we just need to spark it up. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 00:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Still, all that could be done without a Fan Clan. You need the community support, and there is no need for a clan to support you. SV undefined
 * I know, it's just that I spent weeks trying to set it up and it ends like this. It was hard, and had its time, but I guess it's what the Community wants. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG' [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 00:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's funny how clans want other clans to be deleted, but not their own. SV undefined
 * Well I said get rid of the Jedith, CIS, and Sith, I have no clue that they existed except the Sith one has fallen apart. The Jedi one is the most active with there projects and portals. And mine was just a fight to survive adn recently wins, but I have the feeling this is it's last stand, to stay, or to be deleted. Harsh way of saying it. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 00:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The clans indeed do something: they take up Wikia's disk space, so I voted for deletion. That's what userpages are for IMHO. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Purpose
Unknown; for Wookiee fans

Keep

 * 1) Keep
 * 2) Keep it!Darth Spack 06:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete

 * 1) How could this possibly help at all? Pointless. Tyler this is proof you're being bias for clans you're in. You must be logical and realize all the clans are the same. SV undefined
 * 2) --[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 04:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Where'd this come from?
 * 4) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) I want all non-purpose clans to be deleted, the Mando and Jedi clan actually do stuff. Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 18:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 00:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Bub 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
All Clans are not the same! ''' (Talk to me) (My work)(Become a Jedi) 02:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All clans are the same, they are a group of users assembled into a 'clan'. The purpose of clans is very simple, to have an easy way to communicate with others. However, as this may be, Star Wars Fanon is not a place for clans, we have said no where that clans are allowed on SWF. If you really want to keep it, you can take it elsewhere. -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 02:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Purpose
To improve all articles related to the Sith fanon.
 * Sounds like the equally useless Sith Clan.

Keep

 * 1) This clan is useful for users who like writing Sith fiction. Ike Friend 21:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete

 * 1) --[[Image:DTylerSig.gif|150px]] Contact the GDE GDE's conquests The cantina[[Image:Kuat Systems Engineering.jpg|25px]] 04:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Pointless. SV undefined
 * 3) Not needed.
 * 4) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 17:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) I say delete not to keep mine but, where did this come from? Darth tader Mandalore clan  MPTG [[Image:MandalorianKOTOR.jpg|15px]] 18:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 00:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 00:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) -- [[Image:JM76Sig.gif]] Talk to an Admin Mind Trick Jedi Library [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg]] 00:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
eh? ''' (Talk to me) (My work)(Become a Jedi) 02:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

"This clan is useful for users who like writing Sith fiction."

- General Eisenhower


 * No it isn't. SV undefined

There really isn't a point in arguing any further the decision is final because on one else is voting so they are just going to delete the clans.We shouldn't be overally disappointed because most of us weren't contributing to our clan projects we really only joined clans because we wanted to be apart of something.