Forum:Project Cruentus/6

Further Discussion

 * I am making a new battle article. It is on the planet of . I love shadows of the empire! Its between my DTM and Bothian Militia's. It results in the capture of Bothawui by the Rodians for a brief time. Then there will be further battles between the Bothians and the DTM for the conquest of the planet. You guys like? I’m making it now.-- Supreme General Arav (Blast 'em!)  . 06:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice, Arav. In fact, it'd be great if you did a few mini-faction battles like these that are kinda seperate from the Necs/Sravs/Zayre conflict, especially if they fill in the space between Lehon and Dagobah. Meanwhile, tom, do you want me to create the Nec fighter article for you? It's just that I like doing tech articles, but if you want to do it yourself, that's fine. Back to the discussion about the next battle, I still think that the factory thing should still be a mere skirmish, but I think to compromise Redharn will command and bungle both of them; the first he kinda manages to cover up, but at the cost of losing the respect of some of his troops, and the second, which will be a proper large-scale battle, he cocks up to the extent that the overall opinion amongst the Necs is that he is no longer fit for leader. What do you think? Unit 8311 07:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You know what? No problem! Ill be happy to do the mini factions plus my DTM battles! I was getting kind of bored of what to do for the project! I was coming up with many ideas. Ill do my DTM battle and then start to work on the mini. Also Trak, I know you have too much on your plate, but I really need an image of Bothian's fighting rodian bounty hunters. You don’t have to accept but if you do this is, make it the last of the other images you have to make. If you want to make it, it really should look like this image . Instead of that silver crab like vehicle should be a tank with a rodian gunner on it firing at the bothians, (it should look very expensive looking), then where that red guy is should be a bothian soldier holding a large gun. Where those red light sabers are on the side should be swords. Then for the back ground there should be a big explosion blocking out anything behind the tank like that dragon thingy. Lastly that guy on the right should be a rodian soldier with large armor with a short sword. I understand if you dont want to make it eventually. It looks and sounds very complicated. Also keep us posted on the new features of that Zayre. The skin tone is amazing!-- Supreme General Arav  (Blast 'em!)  . 07:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Unit, I agree. Also, if you want to make the Fighter article, feel free! You'd be much better at it than I am! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay then, I present to you the DarkBird-class attack fighter! (sound of trumpets) Feel free to add some stuff to it. Now, back to business. Should I start the Srav/Necs skirmish over the factory, or should we plan a bit more? Unit 8311 17:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We should really archive the discussion section above this...anyway, I think that due to being overstretched a bit, the Necs are forced to try and slip a small taskforce onto Simiyar, which is in the process of being taken over by the Sravs, who want the industrial complexes for themselves. However, Redharn ends up accidentally making the Necasian forces lose the element of surprise, and in an act of desperation he tries to presuade the Simiyar head to switch to the Necs. Meanwhile, the Sravs broadcast convincing propaganda (with a hint of subliminal messaging) over the planet, forcing the locals to fight against the Necs, eventually forcing them into retreat. Redharn blames his field commanders, but Askar knows the truth, and uses it to blackmail Redharn into giving him more power. What do you think? Unit 8311 17:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like your directness. Shall I start Skirmish on Simiyar (Cruentusian War) then? Unit 8311 18:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No point beating around the bush! And feel free to start the article. I'm monitoring my HP Campaign, and so will be on a lot. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

You guys should make Category: Battles of the Cruentusian War to collect your battles together. (That category itself would be categorized under Battles, therefore making it necessary only to use the aforementioned category) --Victor (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do Vic, thanks for the idea. I'll cat the articles, then I'll start on the skirmish. We may or may not need Nyne for this. Unit 8311 18:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, Simiyar is started. Tom, maybe you could make the prelude (as it looks like that's becoming your job when it comes to battle articles ) and fill in your side of the infobox, and a Redharn response to the quote. Meanwhile, we need some good images for the battles. Trak, I know you've got a lot on your plate at the moment, but can we ask for some pics (black and white, low-quality ones at least)? Unit 8311 19:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, I've created a smaller faction which sells mercenaries. If anyone wants their faction to buy some, please let me know. And, Arav, let me know the numbers (how many you want, what year of the war you want them) so we can work on a trade. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 19:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering the overstretch of the Necs causing the Sravs to garner, some influence with Simiyar Tech, why not have the Necs bring in a task force of Obi's Savi Mercs, to assault the moon near the end of the war, they could trigger off a hyperdrive core production center, that leads to the destruction of the moon itself, resulting in the canon 1 moon around Mon Cal. That way Simiyar doesn't turn into a major part of the conflict, but at the same time it allows for the fantastic end to the "Second" Moon of Mon Cal, and keeps Obi's faction in play into the waning days fo the war.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 01:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The other thing I noted was that, most of the Necs weaponry was scavenged or homegrown, perhaps the DarkBird and other production level Tech for the Necs could be Simiyar Built, and sold cheaper as a way to make the other factions want it, until the Srav Population of the Moon at which point the Srav would garner the "marketing" price for such material leading the Necs to either pay more or suffer from not having access to certain Tech. Just a thought, it's your war I'm just trying to make some money off of it. (I think I'll use that as Macab's quote.)  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 01:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds great, Nyne! I would like my faction to have an effect on the war in some way, and this seems like a good start. We'll see what the others have to say. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 02:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Test.-- Arav (Talk Page). 07:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur, and will get round to writing the Tandankin article up a bit now. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant the Skirmish at Simiyar. Anyway, done that. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright then, now we should start thinking about the next battle, which should be a really epic thing, and will round off this particular part of the war, and after this the focus should shift to some of the other factions rather than the Necs/Sravs. Maybe Askar will feed intelligence to the Sravs about a major Necasian offensive, so that when Redharn attacks he falls right into Srav hands. After the disaster, Askar could make his move and a civil war amongst the Necasians could start. What do you think? Also, I had some ideas for a few 'neutral vehicles'--i.e. craft that are used by multiple minor factions/mercenaries, and could be distributed by Simiyar. These craft would be modelled by the various random buggies I posted pictures of before, as well as the Halo Mongoose. Any thoughts on that? Unit 8311 14:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there anyway be can incorporate some of my mercs into this battle, since, as Unit says, it's going to be more epic? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 14:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

ATV, All-Terrain Vehicle, the quad, you've got the Halo Mongoose pic up there, I'd like to offer u a couple other options for it, and see if you like any of them better than the Mongoose and not have the crossover pic. 19:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the ideas; that would also gove the Necs another eventual reason to turn gaainst him! Also, Unit, please check up the Vergulva talk page. I left some images which I think would be good. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the ideas of the neut vehic sets being distributed, though I must admit I'd have to let someone else do those specific articles I'm not huge on Tech articles as I am on groups and characters. And if there's anyone good with planet type articles I could use some help with Simiyar I did what I could think of in the one sitting that's up there, and have tapped out my terrestrial design.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 20:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay tom, shall I go ahead with my neutral/mercenary vehicles idea? Meanwhile, let's continue thinking about the next battle. You think Obi Maul's mercs could fit into it? Unit 8311 20:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I for one wouldn't mind hiring them. Also, with the images, I hope you don't mind, but I'll be using all three for a separate, unrelated article of mine, so if you do use them and see them appear on another page, please don't be alarmed. So, shall we start discussing the battle? I'm going to go work on the NM article now. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've done two neutral vehicles. I may do two more, but not immediately. Er, just noticed your Spalko-based article, tom, and if I were you I'd change it a bit. Firstly, whether the Necasians survive this war remains to be seen, and even if they do, I'm not sure about them surviving for tens of thousands of years till the Clone Wars. Anyway, about the next battle, I thought that Askar should, as I said before, give the game away by feeding intel to the Sravs, and then in turn giving false recon intel to the Nec field commanders, resulting in them disabling a wrong target prior to the battle. The Zayre will get involved, but will take heavy losses, forcing Ironwings to question the alliance. After this, Askar goes on a massive anti-Redharn campaign, and then either he kills Redharn and Redharn loyalists fight to avenge him, or he tries to but Redharn survives and leads his loyal troops against Askar. Thoughts? Unit 8311 21:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like. And you mean Alema Laral? The Necasians wil survive this war, but will be reduced to petty crime and weakness, as the war will have shattered them. Laral will, eventually, lead them from this mire. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 21:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm finishing up for tonight. I'll discuss more with you tomorrow. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 21:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Unit, i'm not sure if you have any issues with it, but I'd like to try and find a different pic for the ATV, I'm not big on using crossover images. I have been working through trying to find something futuristic that fits the bid, I'll leave a pm for you that shows my other ideas, I won't change anything without your approval, but it's just a personal preference of mine.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 01:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, tom, the problem is that in my vision of how the war ends the Necs don't really survive, and the same goes for the other big factions. I can explain more than you want...anyway, for the next battle, I think we should make up the planet, and make it a nice, Alderaan-like planet that, of course, ends up getting completely destroyed. Anyway, have you decided if Maul's mercs are getting involved. And Nyne, what do mean by ATV? Unit 8311 13:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we can use Obi's mercs. And, for the war ending, I think that factions can survive, but have to be seriously crippled. I'm not saying the Necs will live happily ever after. Perhaps Alema Laral will resurrect them? Who knows. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 14:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, maybe one of the sides could hire them, or they could just be on a mission on the planet when they get caught in the crossfire and start attacking both sides. As for the end of the war, I always envisioned the heroes banding together reluctantly to stop the leaders of their factions from destroying each other, and then once the dust has settled they merge their factions into the first proper intergalactic government, which evolves into/becomes the basis for the Republic, and the rest is history. Meanwhile, let's think of a name for the planet of the next battle. Treq, Cul, or Tylek are names that immediately come to my head. Unit 8311 18:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, the Lynx. Well, I think the Mongoose suits the 'real life-ish' technology feel I've been aiming for, but I'd be happy to see any alternatives you've got. Unit 8311 19:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Vehicles really aren't my strongpoint. And, for the battle name, I like either Cul, or one of my own, Huq! You're ideas? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 07:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * First, you might want to archive this discussion again. As for the war, I like Cul a little better. And, about my mercs, let's say that my mercs are stationed on the planet which the battle will take place on, when they get caught in the crossfire, and retreat out of the battle zone. Then, the commanders of each factions come to them and bid to purchase some of the mercs. Or, they could get caught in the crossfire, retreat, and proceed to snipe both factions. Or, they could get caught, and fire at both sides, as Unit suggested. What do you guys think? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 11:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I like Huq as well, so maybe let's combine them and make Huq-Cul, or Culhuq. Or perhaps we could make it Cul IV or Huq II, or something like that. Anyway, Nyne, I liked the pictures you showed me, but I still like the mongoose, so I'll create a third neutral vehicle with the first picture, which I prefer. As for how your mercs get involved, Maul, I say they are simply on the planet looking for a job or doing a job when they get caught in the crossfire and defend themselves, and then try and make a beeline for the transports of both sides to get the hell off the planet. What do you think? And by the way, we need a new AfI. Unit 8311 16:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I nominate Gan Gan for AfI. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Meanwhile, what's your thought on the next-battle planet name? Once you've decided that, we can get to work on it. When it's finished, all we'll have to do is make the minor skirmishes between Lehon and Dagobah and I think we can make that it for Year One! Unit 8311 19:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like Culhuq. And yes, Year One will have been, in my book, a success! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You guys can call me Joe. Anyway, I don't like the idea of my soldiers "getting the hell off the planet"; I'd rather have something different than that last part. How about this: my soldiers are on the planet, fighting for one of the native species in a particular battle, a battle which takes place in a war only going on on that planet. They get caught in the crossfire while resting, and their commander orders them to fight on a particular side. Lastly, I think the best name would be Cul-huq. Culhuq as one word doesn't sound right. --  Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 21:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cul-Huq it is then. I still think that the mercs should be up against both sides, although ultimately it won't make much difference who they affiliate with. You'll see why when I start the article. Meanwhile, on the topic of transports, I have some images of some images we could use for transport articles, which we have so far avoided:, , . Basically transport planes with hyperdrives. Once we've decided on that, shall I do the honour of starting the battle article? Unit 8311 17:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I would be grateful to anyone who wants to create a vehicle, ship, or weapon, designed by Simiyar Tech I do request that you add to the article so I can continue adding them to Simiyar's known Product list, but I'd like to see the community creating the weapons and such themselves rather than me forcing certian things on groups that might not want them, I do have some weapons and a capital class ship I can create but not until I know if anyone is looking for those, I have two pistols, a rifle, and a couple other things, let me know  N.Y.N.E. Comlink 23:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I archived the previous discussion. And while it's on my mind, I wanna bring something to everyone's attention. Late at night, while browsing the Recent Changes, I'd notice Arav making planet after planet after planet after planet. All the planets are in Wild Space with a copy-pasta description. I don't mean to pick on Arav or anything, I'm just discussing the planets. Now, at first I really didn't pay too much mind... until the tenth or twelveth planet. It was getting rather excessive. There are plenty of canon planets to use to our hearts' desire out there, do we really need all those other lil backwater rocks floating out in Wild Space? And do we need so many?

One of the things that deterred me from reading anything regarding the Yuuzhan Vong was the sheer scope of that Galactic-Threat-of-the-Month. There was just too much going on at once in too many places to keep track of it properly. Physics were also thrown clean out the window, the Vong were annoying, and overall I just didn't care for it, but that's beside the point. To have so much happening on so many planets all over Wild Space will become a real pain in the ass to keep track of. Granted, war can be huge, but it doesn't have to be. To have the war centered around only a few planets and canon locations won't detract from the epicness of it, it'll just be alot easier to keep track of.

Also, for a planet to become the focal point of a war, there must be a reason why. That location must have something that an opposing side needs or wants. Just to have people fight over some small patch of dirt for no reason at all is just wasting energy and resources. If the copy-pasta planetoids in Wild Space offer no reason to have wars fought over 'em, then why would a battle occur there? Remember, too, that planets are large. Wars can be fought on a single planet and still be just as epic. Particular areas of a single planet may offer strategic value or political power or something. Planets shouldn't be treated as small plots of land, they should be treated as planets. You have more than enough room on a single planet to stage a gigantic battle.

Just my thoughts.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 01:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I got some more done on the Zayre pic. Most of it's coloured, I just need to colour the wings.  I'm gonna prolly reference to owl wings for the markings and such, as that's what I used for the shape.
 * Zayre pic almost done.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Very nice Pic Trak, I like your work, on the planets not I'd agree with you, my choice to create Simiyar as a second moon around Mon Cal was to allow, in true Star Wars Fashion, a planetary type orbitoid (yes I made that word up), to be severly exploded near the end of the conquest, and leave Mon Cal with it's "Canon" one moon. BUT, really nice picture, I love it  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 04:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice pic. Also im sorry. I'll stop making them.--  Arav the Undersith ( Talk Page ). 06:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks heavens. La La Land actually disturbed me. Unit, you can go ahead and make the battle, and I'll try, but I won't be able to write much for a bit. Love the picture Trak! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 07:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, the first proper epic battle of the Cruentusian War coming up. Also, does anyone have opinion on the transport pictures I put up? Unit 8311 14:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

All see please.--  Arav the Undersith  ( Talk Page ). 06:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC) I'd like to take a small bit of time to discuss a bit of depth to Simiyar's Role in the war. First off I'd like to thank both big faction creators for involving my little moon in the conflict, and I think with the Srav's Victory there that they should maintain a continued protective presence on the moon, thus allowing them massive discounts on the tech that their own scientists and engineers help create, like the Klasnost-class transport among any others to come. I think the Srav should realize it was the Necs mistake to try and bully Simiyar into a solo trading deal, and the Srav are then willing to allow trade to anyone else as long as through discounts and buying rights they are allowed to get first crack at Simiyar's Product line-up. Macab would have a sit down with the Srav Commander-in-Chief and negotiate this in turn for the further protection from Necs assaults. Then approaching the end of the war, I'd like to see whom ever is in charge of the Necs hire Obi's Savi Mercenaries (perhaps recognizing their skill from the run-in in the next major battle) to assault Simiyar and either capture or destroy the facility, maintaining that if it were not used for Necs advancement, then it wouldn't be used for anyone at all. In that raid (perhaps titled exactly that Raid on Simiyar) the Savi would trigger a chain reaction in an experimental hyperdrive core facility that would destroy the moon entirely, taking out Simiyar Tech, the token protective force of the Srav, and perhaps the commander of the Raiding Savi Force staying behind to assure the job was done. Macab would only escape because he was off-world on Mon-Cal negotiating for more space to expand a Simiyar Tech Shipping Yard, so that he could begin mass production on a prototype Captial Class ship for the Srav, of which the single prototype is in the hands of the Srav big guy as part of the original deal for protection. please let me know what you think of this scenario, and if any of my plans interrupt anyone else's.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink 02:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Arav, there's no need. We've seen and refused. And, for the transport pictures, unless they drectly involve the Necs or Zare, I have no real opinion.[[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 10:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The first transport I thought would be good for the Sravs, and the second would be a Necasian transport, and the last could be a Zayre design. If you like that, I could create the articles, and have them made by Simiyar Tech for Nyne. Also, the Cul-Huq battle could use some touch-up from you if you've got a spare moment. Unit 8311 13:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try, but I'm not promising anything. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Mind if I create the transport articles? Also, I upon reading the war talk page, I have some ideas for the in-universe origin of the name. Wanna hear them, or do you have something in mind already? Unit 8311 17:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd very much enjoy seeing those Transports created, and I'd be happy to work with you on any of these vehicle articles, I've been looking for some action shots of the Mongoose for the Lynx article, and I think it'd be good if we were to offer up some specific stories of how the vehicles were used, possibly the likes of maybe Redharn using the Lynx as part of the assault on Simiyar, or a Srav Commander using the Hopper during a major battle, and as I said I have a couple of Capital Class starships I could add to the mix if anyone needs a ship to run the helm of their space navy.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 03:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I too have some ideas, but I'd love to hear yours first. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 08:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll create transports for the Sravs and for the Necs too, and I'll be happy to work on the Lynx/Hopper/Stinger articles. Also, I have an idea for a neutral fighter too, that could be used by mercs and warlords. As for my Cruentus ideas, I was thinking that maybe some mercs or minor factions could discover old Rataka installations and clues to something called the Cruentus or Cruentus Device, which could turn out to be a prototype Star Forge or something or simply a wild goose chase, or we could say that the Rataka word for 'slave' is 'cruentus', and as the war is fought by former Rataka slaves they could name it as such. What do you think? I'd be happy to hear your ideas too. Unit 8311 15:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like that, and it's very similar to my idea. My idea was that the Rakatan word for void was cruentus, and it was the void war, the war of the void they left behind. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, great minds think alike. Anyway, Cul-Huq battle is now done, and could use some stuff from you. Now we need to think about the Minor Faction Wars, which will be short battles compared to the Srav/Nec conflict, so that shouldn't take too long. Maybe once we've done a year on the war we could do a Progress Report, where we review what we do so far and perhaps get some feedback from some of the Big Critic Users. Unit 8311 20:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try, but CUSWFN is my primary aim, as I'm terribly busy this week. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 09:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've added a lot. Unit, I think we should work on getting it to GA status. What say you? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 10:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seeing as one of our self-stated goals is to make at least three FAs. The battle is more or less GA quality in terms of quantity, I think, but there still some spelling errors that need to be ironed out, though, and some images could be added, but you can leave that to me. Meanwhile, I'll start a timeline, and Arav, maybe you could start planning the minor faction skirmishes that go between Lehon and Dagobah. Unit 8311 18:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I like those ideas, Nyne, but had a slightly different scenario in mind: Towards the end of the war, most of the smaller factions have been destroyed, the various merc organization have taken heavy losses, so Simiyar has lost a lot customers, so it has do drastically raise its prices. The Sravs, being space commies at the end of the day, decide that they have enough of Macab's profiteering and decide to assault the factories and use them for themselves. Macab manages to get wind of this, however, and manages to hire some Savi mercs to defend himself. In the resultant battle, the disaster with the hyperdrive core occurs, and Simiyar gets smashed. What do you think? Unit 8311 08:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)