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 * No problem. Whats your new faction Mavoc? If you guys want, sign into IRC so we can chat about stuff. So can I change the Improvement article to your ship Tom?-- Arav  [Talk] . 06:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, no. We need at least one more person to give their consent. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My factions known as the Lost Ones. Darth mavoc 08:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Mavoc, do you want Elthior-class IV Assault Frigate to be this week's improvement article? Me and Tom have agreed on that one. Do you want it to be or do you want another one. It needs to be chaged by the ned of today.-- Arav  [Talk] . 09:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That or either Gan Gan. Darth mavoc 10:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The lost ones should be good soon.-- The Undersith  [Try it, I dare you!] . 09:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I'll change it to the Frigate now. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 13:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I thought we were supposed to us canon logos.TroybShadowFeed contribs[[Image:Council ROTS.jpg|50px]] 13:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Canon logos? Yeah, you can use them. The logo for the Vacoren Alliance is fine. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 13:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh so the "damn it" was too....?TroybShadowFeed contribs[[Image:Council ROTS.jpg|50px]] 13:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Arav, talking about making the Flood. That would be a Crossover article, violating a policy. Taking an image from somewhere else is fine. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 14:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the crossover policey says you cant take another article and make it star warsy, using a image of the Flood is fine.TroybShadowFeed contribs[[Image:Council ROTS.jpg|50px]] 14:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Apart from being a retarded idea, it would be fine, yes. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 14:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed the infobox image in the war article, if nobody minds, because that stormtrooper image really wasn't suitable. In fact, unless we do some weird time-travel battle involving Imperials coming from the future for some strange Star Trek-type reason, I don't think that image could be used at all in this project (no offence Arav). Meanwhile, what should we do next: should we start doing the battles between Lehon and Dagobah, which will have the mini-factions attacking each other and the big factions, before being destroyed or crippled and then starting off the conflict proper, or should we start with battles after Alaris Prime, which could have the Necs and the Sravs facing off against the Devil's Tongue (which could be on a big recruitment campaign as the other factions fight)? What do you think, tom? Also, should I start with the timeline and (for the time being) set the war at being four years long (so it ends in 24, 295 BBY)? We can always change it. Unit 8311 15:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I much prefer the image now. And yes, let's have another battle. I have an idea for two more battles featuring the NM Zayre alliance before Askar usurps and breaks the alliance, when I think we should have a large battle featuring the DTM, SF and NM, whilst the Zayre take on either the Lost Ones or VA (Or both) on another planet, before people start getting annoyed with Askar. What do you all think? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 15:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's hear the idea for the two battles, but I think that once they're done we should start thinking about the early battles, before we get too carried away. I think that in one of these two battles Vergulva should meet Jarn, and the two are deeply impressed by the other's skills in their fight, setting up a mutual respect that will eventually develop into love. What say you? Unit 8311 15:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me. In the next battle, Askar will also introduce the Necasian Sharpshooter Cohort, and lead them brilliantly, while Redharn begins to do less of the action, leading many people to back Askar. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. I have an idea for the location: . Will it be another Necs/Sravs battle? Also, will Jarn in be in this one, or the next? Unit 8311 16:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Necs alliance VS Srav's, yeah. And Jarn will be fightning this one, as will the NSC. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Let's make the outcome a strategic victory for the Nec alliance, but they fail to take the planet: they could be wanting to capture some sort of resource on the planet (like a shipment of resoures and medicine) and cause the Sravs some damage. They succeed in getting some or all that they came for, but eventually they have to retreat. In the battle, Jarn could meet Vergulva and they could have a fight in a missile silo or something like that, before Jarn pulls away with the rest of the Necs, but they are both impressed with each other. Meanwhile, Ironwings could get annoyed that they weren't allowed to finish off the Sravs and could get into an argument with Askar, undermining the alliance subtlely. What do you think? Unit 8311 16:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would annoy him to a suitable degree. I also have another reason why Ironwings will rescue Redharn later on; she is in love with him. It is that which holds her side of the alliance so true. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. However, I have three things to say before we can go ahead with the battle: as the Necs are somewhat underdeveloped in terms of ground vehicles, I recommend that you create an article for their main frontline light attack vehicle, which can be modelled by the Warthog from Halo, and this can be used as a Nec vehicle, as I think Nec ground craft should be light, hit-and-run things that can be used in great number as opposed to the heavier Srav stuff. Also, I think Jarn should be modelled by  this in armour, and by Sam Neil out.  And I realise this is completely off topic, but is there any chance of me being on the 'meet a user' bit of CUSWFN?  Unit 8311 17:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh... that's one of the most frequently asked questions I get... Unit, to be honest, I don't know. I base it on what people have done and, no offence, there's many users who've done more than you. I've been juggling you around in my head for some time now, however I'm goig to ask Michaeldusuarez for next week, Atarumaster88 after that, and then I have had the idea of you. And I don't like the Warthog so much. I prefer the Mongoose, or the Brute Prowler. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Anyway, moving right on, I say the Mongoose would be better than the prowler, although what do you think of the buggy picture I put up? Meanwhile, should I go ahead with the Tandankin battle? Also, what did you think of my Jarn design ideas? Unit 8311 17:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I say Prowler? What the hell was I saying? I meant chopper, which can be viewed here. Very nice weapon. Anyway, I like the ideas for Haveer Jarn; the images portray a hard battle man perfectly. May I ask, were they, as are many of your Srav images, from 'Red Alert'? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The chopper? Hmm. I still would prefer the Mongoose or the buggy, but I suppose we can always say that Nec technology is an assortment of old Rakata stuff. If you mean the pictures of the armour suits I submitted, then yes, they were from command and conquer, but not red alert. As for Sam Neil, this picture immediately had me. Unit 8311 17:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Mongoose isn't so bad, but there's no weaponry, and I really have an aversion to that buggy... but you're right; that Sam Neill picture would be really good for this situation. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose the chopper does look cool in its own right, and perhaps the buggy is a bit too cyberpunky for this. But we still haven't thought about Nec airpower yet. I think maybe the F-22 Raptor, or maybe the  orca from C&C (because I love using C&C stuff ). So, should we make Sam Neil the model for Jarn, and then start on the battle? Unit 8311 17:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go for it. I'll try, but I doubt I'll be able to contribute much tonight. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you start the battle (as a stub at least) this time, tom? I gotta go now, and I'll be able to add to it when I get back. Unit 8311 18:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I will, but you'll have to wait a bit, because I two have to go. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 18:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty, so the level of technology is within the current level of real-world technology, only a bit more so. Like possibly nearing cyberpunk, as 8311 put it. I can work with that. As for artwork, I'll be working on that this week. On my Drawing Board currently are designs for the Zayre and a Rodian general. I should have those done sometime this week as I wasn't able to get to 'em this weekend like I wanted. This week's gonna be chock fulla projects and next weekend I'm taking a lil holiday.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Trak, and don't worry; that's fine! Anyway, Unit, I was unmable to create the stub, but it'll be the first thing I do when I return home tonight. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Trak, if it’s possible could you make an image showing the Zayre and the Death's Tongue Militia fighting? Like there could be a Zayre in the air while throwing a spear at a rodian bounty hunter and a rodian fighting a Zayre in melee combat on the ground with lots of smoke and fire in the background? You don’t have to because I can see it being really hard but if it’s possible could you make it? It’s completely up to you. Also guys we need to incorporate Ranasha in things, it is the main hiding area for many factions in battle and it is the best planet article we have. Also if you guys are on, sign in to IRC so we can chat, if you want to. Its faster than messaging each other.-- Arav  [Try it, I dare you!] . 06:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can do, lemme add that to my Drawing Board... And as for IRC...  I'm using a crappy-crap computer that used to be a school computer, therefore it's fulla restrictions.  One of those restrictions?  No access to mIRC or any chat/IM for that matter.  I need to get a new computer some day, I just don't have the luxury or the finances to do so.   Trak Nar  Ramble on 06:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So, what photoshop do you have. I might get Photoshop Paint! I know its cheep. -- Arav  [Try it, I dare you!] . 06:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay tom, I started the Tandakin article. Fill in the infobox and add a quote from Askar or someone. Also, the Alaris battle needs your side of the infobox filled. And, just to add yet another item to your to-do list, could you start the Haveer Jarn article? By the way Trak, do you mind if I add another request to your plate? Unit 8311 17:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The much loved person Trak! Anyway, I'm sorry, but I'm kinda busy with CUSWFN for the next twenty mins, but I'll get round to it in a min. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Poor Trak, let's see if he can cope with the avalanche of demands we're giving him. Okay tom, when do do get round, do the prelude and perhaps the start of the battle. Then I can carry on and you can start the Jarn article off (as a stub at least) Unit 8311 20:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks Unit. It may seem as if I'm skiving, but I'm terribly busy at the moment, and I'lll get round to Haveer Jarn tomorrow. Please leave Haveer Jarn but, Unit, please leave the battle article for now. I'd like to write the prelude etc. I feel that you've done a lot here, what with me being busy with CUSWFN etc. and I'd like to take a more hands on approach, and give something back. It will be first on my Star Wars Fanon priority list tomorrow. Thanks Unit. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I got the Zayre linework inked earlier today while I was watching Sin City. I still need to colour the image which I may start tomorrow. Here's the linework.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You,my friend Trak, are a genius!!! Thats a great picture!! Cant wait to see it fully done! -- Arav  [Try it, I dare you!] . 05:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Trak, that is amazing! Thanks very much so far! I'll get round to the articles tonight then. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

     -- Arav  [Try it, I dare you!]. 06:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Im am looking for some battle images for the new battle article. Here are my favourites

Got the skintones coloured so far. I'm gonna colour in the hair and the jewelry 'fore I call it a night. So far...  Trak Nar  Ramble on 06:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm after some long though I think the one thing that is missing, is the group that supplies the Tech, You've got MandalMotors, Incom, Soro-Suub and the such. So I suggest starting a new faction Simiyar Tech, Based off of a Moon of Mon Calamari, it would be the first leg of the Mon Cal's future as Ship Wrights. Though I'd like to see the moon (figure on it being called Simiyar and being a second moon for the Mon Cal, it's destruction would leave the one that remains in canon) itself destroyed at the end of the war, I think the Chairman of the group Macab Niathal should survive, and pioneer the initial phases of the Mon Cal ship yards, also in order to begin fathering the line that would lead to Cha Niathal. I'd like an opinion on this (note that Simiyar Tech would not be simply a shipwrighters set, they will range through all tech, the destruction of the factories on Simiyar would lead Macab to look towards just ships rather than small arms and landward tech. N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 13:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Brilliant picture, Trak! (gets down on knees) Anyway, when you're done with that one, I have a request that you can put onto your priority list: a picture of a Zayre locked in combat with a Srav soldier. For the Srav soldier, use picture of the soldier in the military section of the Srav Federation article as a guide--in short, a generic Soviet guy in an ushanka with a futuristic AK-47. Is that doable for you? As for the pictures, Arav, they're great, but the second, fourth, and last are a bit too obviously out-of-era. Still, great job. As for your idea for a weapons dealer-esque faciton, Nyne, I like it, but I'd wait for some feedback from others for now. Unit 8311 17:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * After worshippjng Trak, Id like to give her the name of the new Solus! The image is fantastic! And I like Nyne's idea. Unit, I'll getta round to the articles right now. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Unit? I've done Jarn for now, and the battle article is ready for you to lay into! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a bit, but i have to go now. Unit 8311 20:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Same. I'll be back tomorrow. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well we've got me and two supporters, I'll start on the Articles Simiyar Tech and Macab Niathal. I'd like to see kind of a Board rather than just one CEO so it gives room for others to add a couple characters to the group.  I'll design a logo for Simiyar, and dredge up a profile image for Macab, but any help with details about both would be welcome.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 00:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh, wow... I had planned to work on a few things tonight but got absolutly nothing done. I got other projects done, ones I didn't really plan to work on tonight, but I got nothing done art-wise. Damn, I hate it when that happens...  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it! The images will be fantastic, and worth waiting for! [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 05:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

iM on IRC and OBi Malu'ls ban finishes today!-- Supreme General Arav (Blast 'em!)  . 06:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay tom, I've finished off the Tandankin article. Add some expansion, some quotes (including a response to Vergulva's quote in the battle section from Jarn) and I took the liberty of adding an Ironwings quote. Feel free to adjust it or add an Ankar response. Now, I believe that we should do one more collab battle after this and then start thinking about the early-war mini-faction skirmishes, which is a thing I believe we have ignored for too long. What do you think? Unit 8311 20:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have created my own faction, the Savi Alliance. Do you guys mind me joining the war? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 21:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Come in and join the fun! Anyway, Unit, for the last battle, I believe that my alliance will break, with Redharn's 'trachery', and the Necasians will mount a hefty attack upon that company of Nyne's, after they refuse to sell weapons solely to the Necasians. The Srav's will then fight back, as the company provides them with a lotta arms. What do you guys think? ANd I'll add some quotes tonight. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * We have to at least 30 battle articles! It’s over the whole galaxy! It does not just have to be about our main factions! It could be a planet's militia fighting some mini faction for ships and knowledge of the Infinite Empire!!-- Supreme General Arav (Blast 'em!)  . 06:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and im on IRC guys, signed in as Arav. Im on all the time when im logged in.-- Supreme General Arav (Blast 'em!)  . 06:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Not a bad idea, but I think that we should leave the breaking of the alliance until a bit later. In the next battle, I think that Redharn will take command due to pressure from Ironwings, but will completely cock up the battle, making him and Ironwings (because she was the one who suggested his command) and in turn the Zayre more unpopular amongst the Necs. Meanwhile, I think that the Death's Tongue should stage an uprising on a neutral world, overthrowing the government and growing rapidly in number, alarming the other side. Once we do that, we do the early-war skirmishes between the mini-factions, then we move on to how the Zayre-Necasian alliance collapses and how Askar gains power. What say you? Also, I have some images for the Necasians: this could be used as some Nec scout vehicle, and  for the Nec main fighter, because currently the Sravs wipe the floor with the Necs when it comes to airpower. Unit 8311 14:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Could someone make a five-way war template so that I can join in? Thanks. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 15:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell is a five way war template? And, Unit, I quite like the images, and the idea, but the Scout Vehicle is pretty sucky, but I like the fighter. The Necs have little aerial presence wihout the ayre. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the assault on the company idea, perhaps we could start up a small mercenary group that Simiyar can hire to defend themselves, as they are not proficient in defense themselves, and it gives room for one of those mini-factions that spreads out causing problems for the militias.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 16:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Srav's would defend them. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 16:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, and if this is part of the cause of the end of the war it could be what ruins the company, causing the founder to return to Mon Cal, and the Moon be destroyed, leading to the start of the Mon Cal Shipyards, and cutting out the weapons trade, just ships.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 19:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well tom, the Necs have got to have some form of fighter, because let's face it, a bunch of chicks with wings wouldn't last long against jets and helicopters without some backup. Meanwhile, do you think we should start elaborating on ideas for the next collab battle? Unit 8311 19:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. And those chicks do have many... virtues in battle! Anyway, my ideas for the battle were that the Necs told Nyne's company that they were only allowed to sell arms to the Necs, yet the company refused. The Srav's have their own interestes to protect, and so defend the base, The Necs, whilst not 'losing' numerically, will be forced off the planet. What say you? [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but I think this should just be a minor side battle/skirmish, with minor commanders on both factions, and that the next battle should feature the ideas I posted above. Meanwhile, do you want any ideas for the Nec fighter? Unit 8311 19:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah please. I still can't get over the chicks with wings.... [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 19:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why can't you? Anyway, it think it should be a high-speed dogfighting machine as opposed to the comparatively sluggish Srav Yukel, and is equipped with cluster missiles and lightweight weaponry to reduce weight, and possibly equip it with stealth systems. As for a name, the DarkBird sounds good to me, if you're going to use the picture I suggested. Meanwhile, I have some ideas for the skirmish/battle/whatever: it should be located on  (which I picked at random from the planet category) and that forces on both sides will be minimal, and the Zayre will not get involved in this one. Any thoughts? Unit 8311 20:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. But, inj this one, I think this should be the one that Redharn bungles. The Necs should have a significantrly larger fleet, and, whilst hovering above the base, the Srav's ambush them, and Redharn left them in a vulnerable position. The Srav's blindside them, and cause severe damage, turning it into a battle. Clocking off for tonight. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 20:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Tom: On the Cruentusian War page, it says there are four combatants. You all are attempting to protect and regain territory of the Rakatan Infinite Empire, right? Or is it 2v2? Or Free for all, four opponents battling each other, survival of the fittest? Never mind. The case here is that the slaves are fighting against the rear guard of the Rakatans. If so, I would like to be a neutral side, sending mercenaries to people willing to pay. That would be why we would need a five way war box; it would include a box for the mercenaries and their commanders. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 20:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The battle over Simiyar Techs Trade stance would have to take place on Simiyar, it's a fanon moon orbiting Mon Cal, that near the end of the conflict will be destroyed to try and stop the war mongering the company is causing by feeding all factions involved, and the Necs fighter could be something designed by ST possibly being they are the first to purchase them and don't want to see any other faction get their hands on them, so they decide that ST must either agree to supply only them or be destroyed. Just some thoughts  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 21:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh those sexy winged warrior wimmens... XD Anywho, in order to compensate for the additional appendages, the Nec fighter cockpit would prolly be designed somewhat differently than your basic cockpit.  The cockpit dimensions would be somewhat larger, allowing the chicks to have room for their wings, and the seat will prolly be designed to support that body structure.  The middle of the seat would prolly be raised, like lumbar support that runs up the middle of the back of the chair.  Other humanoids would prolly find such a design to be somewhat awkward, having this really narrow seat back.  The harness would be designed to compensate for the wings as well.  Basically, this ship would prolly be marketed with only winged species in mind.   Trak Nar  Ramble on 00:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but I was thinking performance wise,kind of the opposite of the X-Wing vs. the X-Wing Heavy Variant. This would just be one that was designed differently in the cockpit based on the pilot, the Necs version would be a single production line, but the overall design and performance could be matched with a second production line of the same fighter with the alterations to the cockpit.  I'd think that something new and fresh off the line, that was possibly commissioned by the winged chickies, that the company was willing to alter the original design and push it out in mass production for common populace would be reason enough to spark an attack against the Corporation, let alone the fact that they are selling they're ships, weapons, and speeders, to every faction in the war that can pay for it.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 04:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They won't need to be fitted for Zayre. The Zayre have wings, and can fly unaided. The fighters are for the benefit of the ground locked Necs. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 06:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm for planning. I'm on the irc now, if you need me live, or we can do it here. [[Image:Darthtomsig.png|163px]] My page iChat What I've done 17:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)