Talk:Gray Jedi Code/@comment-173.2.52.120-20170903181449

I am not one to stiffle anyone's creativity or expansive curiosity. I do not so much have an issue with any of the various wording's of the 'Grey Jedi Code', I have an issue with the very concept of it in itself. Again, everyone is entitle to like what they like and I'm not saying anyone is wrong for liking this concept, but there is one aspect of this that is really undeniable and makes any 'revisions' or expanded wordings of the Grey Jedi superfluious, and that is that fact that "grey jedi" do not exist in cannon Star Wars Lore officially. Some may say well there examples of of Force users "walking the line in between", but while this may be so, they were still never called "grey jedi", there has never been official cannon reference to them or a "grey jedi order". Someone "walking the line in between" does not constitute as evidence of "grey jedi", this is explainable simply by saying the person is not fully in the Light but has not yet fallen completely to the Darkside 'yet'.

Another aspect of this concept I do not like is the fact that it essentially attempts to change the very fabric of what the force is and has been presented and instituted as in official Star Wars cannon. Furthermore, it kinda makes a mockery of every great Jedi or powerful Sith from official Star Wars cannon.

One cannot deny the fact that the force has been explained officially as being something with absolutes. There is a Darkside and a Lightside and you are either on one side of it or the other. Someone who is in that "middle ground" is someone who has not fallen completely under the sway of the darkside yet and thus is still technically on the Lightside. Any use of the force as an attack is inherently calling upon the Darkside, there is no way around that. If a jedi uses the force as an attack in any fashion, he has just called upon the Darkside even if his intentions were good. Were it possible to do so without it being inherently calling upon the Darkside that you would be seeing the awesome masters of the Lightside [Yoda, Mace Windu, Qui-Gon Jinn i.e.] utilizing the force as an attack on a regular basis. Anyone who might have played the West End Games table top RPG will tell u that it often sited examples from the movies stating in that scene so and so called upon the Darkside in that instance. One of the examples in the game sited when Luke entered Jabba's palace and the two Gammorian Guards attempted to stop him and he aphixiated them with the force that in doing so he called upon the Darkside and gained a "darkside point" [Which was part of the game mechanics, each time u got a new darkside point you had to make a roll that was harder and harder to make sucessfully the more darkside points a  character had attained, and if this roll was failed, the player fell to the darkside and the GM could than say the character is no longer playable as he is now on the darkside or give the player an opportunity to attone for his use of the darkside which had it's own game system mechanic that was no guarntee they would be successful at and if they failed at that than the character was irrevolkably lost to the player]

Attempting to legitimize the concept of "grey jedi" is saying in absolute certain terms that Yoda was an idiot as well as Mace Windu,  Qui Gon Jinn, Darth Vader, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Palpatine, Tremayne, the Qel Droma's, and essentially every single Darklord or Jedi Master that has ever been represented in any official Cannon Star Wars storyline. Even Force Spirits who had become "one with the force" were total morons and even being with the Force they still did not have an understanding of what the force is than. Absoultes have been established in Cannon. "Once you start down the Dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny". We have seen the supposed greatest and most powerful Force Users that have ever existed, even after they had died and became one with the Force and than had visitations with the living, they still purported the view of the Force that there is no middle ground,there is a lightside and a darkside and you are on one side of it or the other. - - - Whether or not the person realized they were on 'one side or the other' is irrelivant. Many Jedi fell to the darkside with good intentions. Some tried to defeat the Darkside from 'within'. Not everyone knows they are evil, some may think the ends justify the means.

If you are on the Darkside, you are not Jedi. If you are a 'Sith on the Lightside' you are not a Sith [There is a word for 'lightside sith', it's called Jedi]. These are belief systems, these are philsophies, these are ways of life. These Codes by which they live by are very clear. And being on the Darkside itself effects the mind of the person who has fallen to it. While thier original intentions may have been good, the Darkside effects the person who comes under it's sway. "Forever will it dominate your destiny".

If one contends that there are such things as "Grey Jedi", that there is a middle ground that can be maintained, that one need not be on the Lightside or the Darkside, than Yoda, Mace Windu, Palpatine and all the other sources and personalities of force users ever presented in cannon based Star Wars Lore were, simply put, wrong, and did not know what the force was at all. There is no other way to see it than. They were all wrong about the force, even when they had joined with it.

I personally do not like the whole 'grey jedi' idea, I feel it diminishes the very thing we have all come to love about Star Wars and I think it's rather silly, but, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and manner of enjoying Star Wars in gaming. So, that said -

Enjoy the concept of "Grey Jedi' among the small circles of individuals that may like it, no one should tell anyone else how to play their own storylines in RPG RP, so word the 'grey jedi code' however you like it for it doesn't have to make sense with the cannon lore because the entire concept of Grey Jedi does not exist and is not part of the real Star Wars Cannon. Thus, there is no need to try and justify it within the context of Cannon because it cannot be justified in the context of Cannon. It is inherently cannon breaking.