Forum:Project storyline

Star Wars Fanon &gt; Project Force Wars &gt; 

So the first thing we're going to want to do is develop the storyline for the project. To do that, I think we need to do the following things in this order:


 * 1) Develop Tython. Since this war was fought just on Tython (as far as we know), we're going to need to flesh that out and really detail this planet beyond the minimal amount of canon information there is on the world. We need this to maintain consistency as well. I suggest this be our first featured article too.
 * 2) Develop the backstory. We need to come up with the information about those first people coming to Tython and the eventual seduction of many of them to the dark side.
 * 3) Determine the groups (the amount of groups/factions needs to remain small, IMO) that are on Tython and that will eventually participate in the war.
 * 4) Develop the beliefs of these organizations. They can't be Jedi and Sith carbon copies, IMO.

Once we know that stuff, we can begin work on the actual war. It's going to be a bit of work to get that point, though. Strap yourselves in! It'll be a fun ride! - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 06:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

1. Tython
As mentioned above, let's start the discussion with. What we know from canon is. In that article, what's in the Pre-Republic history, as well as parts of the infobox, apply. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 06:48, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * The planet seems very Earth-like and so I believe the best course of action would be to make it appear as rural as possible. A vast contrast to the Rise of the Empire era Coruscant, which is one big city. This would help create the strong Force resonance associated with the system and develop the Jedi mindset. The planet should have plains, swamps, grasslands, and forests (anything that harbors vast amounts of life), and devoid volcanos, deserts, and drought. -- I am the Chosen One Train me, I will bring balance...Archive 06:58, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * In relation to the above statement, copious amounts of flora and fauna should be present. Particularly smaller, less-harmful life-forms. This would keep sentient beings safe, particularly if there were very few large predators, and Force-users would likely be using their powers to experiment and alter the growth and physiology of these small forms of life. Obviously, the ability to alter life could be a point of contention between the eventual followers of Ashla and Bogan. Large cities/monasteries should center around rivers, or some body of water, so that things like transportation, farming, and fishing are as simple as possible. All beings should start rather sheltered and close-together, and as the war progresses, should spread out across the various other continents and whatnot. &mdash;  JM ' 76 ' Droid IRC [[Image:Sabersmilyjm76.jpg|16px|link=:Category:Articles by Jedi Master 76]] 07:05, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

When we say large cities, though, we don’t want anything too big. After all, there’s not going to be a huge amount of these early priests, philosophers, etc. They’d probably number in the thousands, so large cities - such as Manhattan sized - wouldn’t really be around, IMO. I agree with the rest of what you said, though. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 07:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Everything about the cities should be made naturally, this would keep the population and city size down as well as slowly descrease the number of fauna species on the planet. (Not many native animal species from Tython) -- I am the Chosen One Train me, I will bring balance...Archive 07:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think these people would do something that would endanger species to the point that the numbers of said species started to decrease, considering the people pre-Jedi and would likely still value all life. Besides, even if canon doesn't have a lot of fauna listed doesn't mean we can't create a bunch of our own. We're forcing ourselves to follow what's already canon, but in doing so we can still expand upon it so long as nothing is contradicted. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 07:33, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, but in later discussions concerning the split in ideals, this could become a strong cause for the Ashla to fight the Bogan. The Bogan would want to expand despite the endangerment of animals, and the Ashla would defend the fauna and flora native to the system.-- I am the Chosen One Train me, I will bring balance...Archive 07:39, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

True, but right now we want to concern ourselves with the planet, I think, before it was really colonized or anything. We need to develop the planet itself, not its history, right now. Good idea, though. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 07:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Got it. In order for Tython to support everything that inhabits it, there would have to be tons of rain, almost on the scale of Kamino. This would make it more of a swampy rain forest system, since forests are its main natural feature. Perhaps fogridden as well.-- I am the Chosen One Train me, I will bring balance...Archive 07:45, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Why would it need to have rain on the level of Kamino? The image of it on Wookieepedia very clearly shows that it's more or less a terrestrial, Earth-like planet. Earth doesn't have Kamino-level rain. - Brandon Rhea  (talk) 16:06, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * While I'm still mulling over joining this, I'd like to throw a few questions/ideas out there: are the people here just human, or a mixture? If a mixture, then perhaps it would make sense for them to be perhaps dumped there by the Rakata or something. Furthermore, just to clarify, the technology is mostly medieval, with swords for weapons, right? Also, would there be any indigenous inhabitants? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  16:49, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * We know that some Humans and Shi'do (formerly) are native to Tython. As for the technology, yes is pretty much medieval, considering the time period and the weapons that we know are used. For anyone who hasn't, I suggest reading, , and . - Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png (talk) 16:55, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Tython? Wookieepedia only got three images, so it's not much to go on. However, the Star Wars: The Old Republic site got a trailer with good concept art, from the Old Republic era. Here's the best of what I could find there, if anyone's interested:, , , , , , (Not sure if this is the proper way to show the images, but.. what the heck.) Gives a little bit of background to work with. Sorry if I disturbed your conversation. Antonstaen (Talk) 16:54, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Great pictures. That really helps. - Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png (talk) 16:55, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Then there's the question over whether the concepts of the two sides of the Force are really known to these people. Perhaps the war could be over its application, with one side believing it should be for the individual and the other for the greater good, thus eventually developing into the schism between Jedi and Sith. In short, perhapst the Jedi-types could be utilitarianists, and the Sith-types hedonists, if you know what I mean. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  17:01, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

What we know so far is that the war is basically good vs. evil, like all of the other wars between Force users. They generally know how the Force works, hence why one side was seduced to the dark side. Besides, the individual vs. greater good is what all light side and dark side groups come down to anyway. EDIT: Regardless, we need to be talking about Tython. Let's not get distracted with other stuff yet. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:07, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, just that I feel that it should be a bit less abstractly black-and-white. Anyway, back to the point, I feel Tython should be a multi-terrain world like Earth. Maybe it could have two main continents, each split between the two factions, with fighting over smaller bodies. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  17:11, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * We could, perhaps, have Tython divided into different continents which could be separated by oceans (sort of like Avatar: The Last Airbender). Another option is to have the factions build massive fortress-like walls that create a perimeter around their territories. Regardless, Tython, along with its moons, has to be a very large planet. Also, I beleive we need more than just two factions. Perhaps like a light side, dark side, and merc-style side. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  17:19, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, natural boundaries like mountains and oceans would be more sensible. And I think just a cluster of various merc bands would make more sense than a whole faction, unless there's a guild or something. How civilized is this planet supposed to be pre-war anyway? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  17:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, again, let's stop talking about the factions. We need to develop the planet, not the factions or the people. First the planet itself, then the native species (flora and fauna), then we can move on. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, for the planet, Wookiepedia has that it's a lush, forest-like world. But, I think we can change that from the entire planet being lush forest to just like a main continent being so, with other continents being different types of terrain. --Wylindsig.png (Conference Room)  17:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Realistically, each continent on a planet like this isn't going to have its own personal terrain. They'd all share a similar terrain, with other terrains within it. Like North America has a frozen tundra, a lush forest environment, flat plains, and deserts. Asia has lush areas, then it has the Middle East. Etc. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * From the trailer, and the screenshots also found at the site, it's obvious that there's a lot of mountains, mixed with heavy forests and villages. Also, large natural caverns. In this screenshot of a Jedi enclave, it looks like there's some kind of sea, or something like that, shielded away by a shield. Another thing that's common are old ruins from the dawn of the Jedi Order - The result of the Force War? Also, this shows that there's nexu on Tython. It's possible that they were brought there after the period we're talking about, though. Antonstaen (Talk) 17:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Awesome finds. All that would work really well. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:30, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * A subspecies of Rancor, like the ones on Felucia, would be cool. They could be considered very rare however, or perhaps be created by Sithspawn in the later stages of the war. Just a thought. Ty294  {Talk}  17:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think, perhaps, from the mentions of the sea and all that Tython might be similar to Rakata Prime in terms of layout, with the actual landscape and mainland being more similar to the forested world mentioned. I think the influence on the light side on the planet for numerous generations would mean that there's not all that much that's viciously poisonous on the planet like, say, Felucia. Perhaps there would be the obvious few but, on the main part, I think this is a fairly idyllic planet in a lot of parts. --<font color="#c00">Darth tom  (Message me) (Contributions) 17:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with Tom. Also, Ty, there wouldn't be any Sithspawn. We're not at that point in canon. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, I didn't know the exact date in the timeline. I figured it was one of the millions of Jedi-Sith wars. >.< Ty294  {Talk}  17:47, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * It says it flat out on the project page. You need to read that stuff. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:55, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

So we're pretty much in agreement? Tython will be a predominantly lush, forest-like world with sub-terrains and different continents? -- (Conference Room)  17:51, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, that sounds good. Antonstaen (Talk) 17:55, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Looks like we're in agreement, yeah. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:55, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * No arguments here. --<font color="#c00">Darth tom  (Message me) (Contributions) 17:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

It only took a couple hours, so not too bad. -- (Conference Room)  17:59, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a few hours for the basics. We need to come up with information about locations (ie, not structures, but mountains, forests, etc.) across the planet. All of this will help us when we're doing battles later. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:01, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * It may be easier to just make up locations as you go along. Less restrictive. However, let's just make up some big stuff now if you want--like, say, a huge mountain range that goes across the planet or the biggest continent, or something. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:02, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Obviously I'm not saying make up everything, but we do need the basics so we can get Tython as developed as possible. It will also make things easier for when we're doing the conflicts. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:03, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Continent names, maybe. Three off the top of my head right now: Gue'la, Shaski, and Muvsha. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:05, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Do those mean anything? Also, just so everyone knows, I'm starting to document everything we decide here so I can convert it to an article once we're satisfied with what we have. I just basically want to establish the standards of the projects in what will be our first main article. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:08, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they're just names. You can assign a meaning if you want. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

How'd you come up with the names then? Just pulled them out of thin air? - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:15, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically. The point is, do you like them? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:16, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think I like "Mauvais", which is French for "dark or gloomy sky". It could be the home of one of the dark side factions. -- (Conference Room)  18:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't like that as a name at all, especially for a Bogan name. Something more sinister or a better name I'd go with. --<font color="#c00">Darth tom  (Message me) (Contributions) 18:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind, Tom, that "Bogan," at least not right now, is not a faction name. It's just the dark side. I'm saying that since I noticed in your now deleted article you referred to people as "Ashla." - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:24, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * For a Bogan name: Ssh'kavel, Tarkveilenar, Impoteus. Any of this good? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:33, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Ssh'kavel sounds like shishkabob or however you spell that. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea  <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:33, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * It helps if you put on a possessed voice while saying it. ;) Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

A little sidetrack from names here: I got some more information about animals: This shows acklay, and this shows dewback. Sure, I know.. They're not even remotely native to Tython, but.. still.. Also, these nasty little things are Tython mining droids, proving that there's something worth mining on the planet. Antonstaen (Talk) 18:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's medieval tech, there won't be much in the way of mining or industry. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

1. Medieval? Exactly how do you propose that they got to Tython? 2. Humanity has mined minerals for millenia, without having access to droids. Antonstaen (Talk) 18:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Medieval tech in terms of weapons, not overall technology. If it was overall medieval technology, there'd be no way for people to get to Tython. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea Rebel symbol Blue.png <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:44, September 7, 2009 (UTC)