Forum:Project Cruentus/16

Further Discussion

 * I was wondering if all faction creators make a category for their soldiers. This includes any linked field troops, commanders, sergents, leaders, co leaders, etc. And example of one would be . I would make finding random people easier.--Arav  (Ancient Grove ) (Lost Archives ) 10:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, I was wondering if Tom or Unit or anybody else could read this article and comment on it, on it's talk page, Thanks.--Arav (Ancient Grove ) (Lost Archives ) 10:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll consider the categories for the Necasians and Zayre. Also, Arav, this isn't a place to ask for reviews. If we want to review the article, we'd know where to find it. --[[Image:Darth tom sig.png|100px]] (talk) (contributions) 12:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a list of PC battles, skirmishes, raids, missions, etc that need to be attended to by their creators or anyone else who wishes to help:

-Skirmish on Vanqor (Cruentusian War)

-Battle of Toydaria (Cruentusian War)

-Battle of Diado (Cruentusian War) (Was supposed to be a large battle)

-Battle of Abonshee (Cruentusian War)

-Battle of Tanaab (Cruentusian War)

-Battle of Dxun (Cruentusian War)

-Battle of Janna (Cruentusian War) (Was going well for GA or FA untill the end of Feb)

-Second Battle of Abonshee (Cruentusian War)

-Battle of Malastare (Cruentusian War)

Finaly, we need a good PC logo. Why do we have Jedi? I will never know. --Arav (Ancient Grove ) (<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 23:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll get on to the Abonshee and Malastare battle soon. I've been meaning to add to them, but haven't got around to it due to school commitments. Darth Mavoc (Talk) 10:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Leave Vanqor and Janno to me. The rest are in the hands for others. As for a new logo, I have a few ideas, but Drewton would be the best to actually make one. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, guys, I don't know if I'm blind or not, but are there pictures anywhere of some of the grenades used by the different factions? Since if I have some grenade pictures, it would help with the Cruentus mod. --JediCommando (Talk) 01:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd just use generic grenades, personally. I'll probably make some articles on those in the near future, but I'll probably just use pictures of frags from Halo or Battlefield or something. Maybe you could just use generic grenades with red stars for the Sravs and skulls for the Necs.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  10:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, Unit, thanks. Right now I'm trying to organize everything, but I have started work on Dagobah, but work will be a bit slow. I was just wondering for the grenades since I found assets for a lovely stick grenade that could be used by one of the factions. Also, while painting the grenades with a skull and a red star does sound great, I think it might be unbelievably hard, but I'll check to see how easy it is. --JediCommando (Talk) 17:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. However, if by stick grenade you mean a stielhandgranate, I think that might look a bit too out of place. If you can get something like a molotov cocktail, that could be good for the Sravs or DTM. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I do seem to remember the Russians used stick grenades in WW2, but I could be wrong. As for the Molotovs, they've been used before, but I'm not sure if the source files have been released for them. --JediCommando (Talk) 17:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Grenade articles are done, but don't worry if you can't get them exactly the same--I deliberately chose generic-looking grenades, so nobody might tell, or if you want you can make your own grenades and we can create articles around those--I mean, two big militaries are hardly likely to use just one model of grenade, no?  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Unit. And I agree, two big militaries wouln't just use one grenade . To represent the nukes and napalm in the grenades, I can make them glow differently from the default red color in the game, i.e., nukes glow green (for the radiation inside) and napalm glows orange (napalm's orange, so this should make sense) --JediCommando (Talk) 21:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget Eborax and the Eborax bomb explosions. We need some for the 3rd and 4th year battles. --<font color=#B22222>Arav <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 06:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if Jedicommando is doing the DTM too (if you do Jed, the DTM is basically like a Taliban with some Rodian/alien stuff in there) and if he does, there's a chance that any eborax weaponry will come out looking like green vomit (no offence to Jedi--if you can do better than that, then don't hestitate ).  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  16:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I will definitely do the DTM, although I think you are right about the green vomit part . Maybe when I'm more experienced I can get it to look better. Also, I forgot to mention that I can get 4 factions fighting each other at once, although that might be slightly difficult. --JediCommando (Talk) 16:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Four factions? So that's Sravs, Necs, DTM...Zayre I can't imagine in Battlefront, Savis might be a bit minor, UCW aren't fully developed yet and might come out as recolored Necs. Unless you are a magician and can do Zayre, in which go ahead.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Zayre I could try (or more properly, my mod team could try once I get one together), but I'm no magician, though . The only problem would be getting the Zayre to fly on the same caliber as aircraft. That I can't imagine. --JediCommando (Talk) 19:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose you could use the same coding for jetpack guys (remember, the Zayre can fight on the ground too) but you'd need to somehow code them to fight with lightning and blades (with blades only, they'd get pwned by everyone else, ala Indiana Jones ). Alternately, you could make one model and have it as wildlife, or something. Anyway, is it possible to code in unit chatter (otherwise it'd be a bit surreal to have Sravs going 'for the empire!' in British accents and Necasians talking like droids. Or could you simply have them mute?). Note that I'm just curious, and I know you don't have unlimited funds and the resources of a game development studio.   Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  14:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I could code them to fly like the jetpack guys, but it would look like the Zayre have invisible jetpacks on, so it would look weird. It is possible to code in new chatter, but it's so difficult nobody's bothered to do it. I'm 90% sure that the chatter can be muted. Also, the mod is going to be delayed by a bit, as I have an increased school workload and my Eagle Project is going to start in a week or two. Don't worry, I should be able to work on it lots by the end of the school year, though. --JediCommando (Talk) 18:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry my friend; just do what a normal student editor can do in his/her spare time these days. Sport, recreational things, school, family and friend activities, TV, surfing the web and many more is all what the normal 21st century person does. --<font color=#B22222>Arav <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 05:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * On a completely diffrent topic, I'm semi-resinging from the project for now because I don't have much time to do stuff here anymore. I plan to come back though- Mecenarylord Enter if you dare 13:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Even though I haven't been a member too long, it's sad to se you leave, MercenaryLord, even though you plan to come back. Also, Unit 8311, do you think it would be alright if we had the Cruentus mod mentioned or announced in the next issue if CUSWFN? I mean, I know the mod is in its early stages, but don't you think it should still be mentioned, though? --JediCommando (Talk) 14:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably, but it'd be good if you could have some screens or some basic concept models or something similar. As I'm more or less making the CUSFWN a sponsor of the project, I think I will.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  15:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Screenshots probably won't come until I have the map at least 50% done, but don't worry, I gurantee I will provide screenshots in the future. --JediCommando (Talk) 23:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd just to announce that the Project has now officially been going on for just over a year now, and it's showing no signs of slowing down. Anyone wants to add to the near-400 minor articles we've got, feel free to announce so. Good work, everyone. Let's hope it'll still be this strong this time next year.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Lookee-loo what I just finished tonight: File:AngelicValkery.jpg Well, I nixed the background (the old revision still has it) and fixed the leg shading.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well let me be the first to say job well done. It looks fantastic, real detail! I hope you continue to keep on creating those masterpieces if you can. That has to go on CUSWFN Image of the week! --<font color=#B22222>Arav <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 05:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, don't add the background in my opinion. --<font color=#B22222>Arav <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 05:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * One word will suffice: amazing. And Arav, please ask me about POTW next time, but I'll let it pass for now. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  08:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I forgot the CUSWFN still has heads. --<font color=#B22222>Arav  <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 10:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To Jedi, should he be reading this: annoucement regarding your mod is up. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  16:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Gan Gan's headshot is done: File:GanGanHeadshot.jpg  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1 hour Trak compleated that in! Wonderful. --<font color=#B22222>Arav <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 05:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty, since I had Photoshop still open, I put together a simple era icon: File:CruentusLogo.png I used aspects from the DTM, Srav, and Zayre logos for it and arranged 'em in a simple style in what I felt would mimic other era icons. At around 2 am, this was what popped into my head for the logo design and icon arrangement.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 06:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Very nice work, Trak! Glad to see you're back in style. Love the icon, but we'll have to hear from DT before we can replace the current one (I'm sure he'll like it anyhow ). Is there any chance of you doing a couple more character shots? Or, if you've got the time and the patience, a few more ambitious pieces? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  15:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa, Trak, you've made some nice images. Wish I were as skilled as you were . Also, thanks for putting the mod announcement in the newsletter, Unit. Anyways, don't you think we should do something about the Menunadexu? The Cruentus War article mentions a battle that they participated in, but I don't believe that there's an article about it, though. --JediCommando (Talk) 20:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The guy behind them once sorta attempted to make a battle with DT, between them and the Necs, but last time I checked he's virtually inactive. I guess we could make a battle in which they get thoroughly pwned, but there's the risk of recieving something to the effect of 'rar how dare u use mai faction without permisson'.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, everyone. Two things: 1) I finished Battle of Toydaria, and Battle of Tanaab. 2) I would like to express my interest in returning to this project. I am willing and excited to contribute to the project now, as evident by my contributions in the articles above. What do you think? -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 00:23, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I see why not Obi. Nice work on the battles you edited. Now, via IRC, Tom likes the image so I think it is safe to put it as the War's logo and Project Logo.

-[2009-05-27 18:10:34] <Darth_tom> I've seen it, Arav... There's no need to do that.

-[2009-05-27 18:11:13] <Arav> You like?

-[2009-05-27 18:11:46] <Darth_tom> Yes.

That should sort it. --<font color=#B22222>Arav <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Ancient Grove ) <font color=#801818>(<font color=#013220>Lost Archives ) 05:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I ain't go no problem with that. Now, Joe, seeing as you've decided to fully come back, why not start with expanding the Savi Alliance article? For a faction, it's quite a bareboned article. If you need ideas, just ask, and we can point you to any images we choose to represent the mercs if you need that. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I actually had just started working on the article again. And yes, it would be nice if you could show me some of the images used for them. Also, just wondering, is DT still contributing to this project? The last time he edited this page was April 1st. -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 20:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Here, Here, Here, Here are some. Also, DT is still providing advice behind the scenes. Also, why'd you get rid of the Savi insignia? We can find a new one if you want.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  21:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

If you're willing to stay active this time then sure. And, yes, excellent image, Trak. -- <font color="#000001">(talk) <font color="#000001">(contributions) 06:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll find and/or make another insignia. Also, check out Battle of Casilis. I'll work on it some more soon. -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 23:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not bad, Obi, but I'm afraid it contradicts what's been established before in that I was building the Sravs and the Savis up to be 'best buddies', so to speak, as the Savis had been helping the Sravs previously, especially in a big battle. Also, their commander is a Necasian deserter. But, if you're not willing to change anything around, we can establish a sub-faction of Savis that's responsible for this--which will make things interesting, and also add more characters to the otherwise small Savi ensemble.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  11:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was basing the battle off of the events of the previous battle, when the Sravs defeated both the Savis and the Necasians on Toydaria. I was not aware of the relationship you were building; however, I personally like the storyline I have going, so I think the sub-faction idea may work out. Possibly, we could say that the Savis that were defeated at Toydaria were a sub-faction, and I could change some facts around so that there was a different Savi commander both at the Battle of Toydaria and the Battle of Casilis, who was indeed angry at the Sravs. -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 19:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I was just reading up on some of the battles...this whole war kind of reminds me of a stretched out tv show, kind of like Prison Break, with lots of intense action and whatnot. Not that that's a bad thing, necessary, but that's just the impression I get from it. -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I did originally outline that the Savis would focus on the Necs, leaving the Sravs impressed with their actions. However, if you want to go on with this, you can have just said-subfaction go on their own following said battle as revenge. You have any ideas for a commander of said subfaction? And if you think about, most wars in RL and fiction feel like TV shows.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Following on from the IRC conversation, I've got some ideas for the Savi subfaction if you haven't got any: 1. High Altitude Attack Drop Squad, or HAADS, essentially an elite commando group who rely on dropping on the enemy from orbit and overcoming them with quick precision strikes. They're highly trained. 2. Deathbringer Squad, a commando division with all-rounder tactics, which makes heavy use of augmenting chemicals and drugs in battle, and is effective at demoralization. Nevertheless, it has internal strife, and isn't trusted by the rest fo the Alliance. 3. Jervada Battalion, a straightforward mixed division of infantry and armor which functions much the same way as the rest but is simply better equipped and trained. Thoughts? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, well, I just nominated this article for GA status. Right now, I can simply add a few details in, as I was going along the lines of the third one anyway, just without a name; I was just thinking it was going to be Jervosa's sub-fac of the Alliance. -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 01:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I think that should the article pass for GA, it should count as both a GA of the project and my own GA, as, though it is an article within the scope of the project, I pretty much wrote the entire thing, with some assistance from Unit. -- Joe Butler   (Talk to me) 01:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, what does everyone think of me putting the Battle of Slavabrya on the FAN? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, seeing what you've written in the BtS section of the article, I personally wouldn't go for it. --JediCommando (Talk) 17:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I can change that, if you think it'll pass content-wise. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  17:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not about the content, but just going by what I've read, it seems to me that only the articles that are pivotal story-line wise are going to FAed. However, I'll let you do what you wish--JediCommando (Talk) 00:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey guys. Not so long ago, me and Mavoc had a conversation on the IRC detailing and elaborating on the Lost Ones. I scribbled together some concept sketches to get across my ideas, and I thought I'd share them with you:
 * Rakatan in armor
 * Female Rakatan with whip
 * Rakatan railgun

-- Unit 8311 Talk!  17:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC) '''At the beginning of the Cruentusian War, the Sinyan Imperium would begin an expansionist offensive, taking control of several nuetral planets. However, the Srav Federation would launch an invasion of Sinyan space, starting with a major battle on (some planet yet to be named). During the first battle SDF supreme commander Ken Trallar would be killed. With his death Dak Chamblers would take over but the SDF would fall into disorginization. After losing much of the Sinyan empire, Chamblers would be removed and replaced by Joe Tylars. Tylars would launch a counter-offensive and take back some of the former Sinyan planets. The two factions would then enter WW1-style trench warfare (w/o the trenches of course, you know what I mean) and neither side would make any major gains. Later in the war, the Sravs would launch a large offensive taking most of the Sinyan planets and laying siege to the Sinyan capital. They would be saved by joining the UCW who would relieve the siege. Following that Sinya would no longer be a sovreign planet.''' Tell me what you think, going to far or is it ok? Ty294 (Talk) 15:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Ok now the issue of making the story. Here's the current idea for the Sinyan invasion: At the start, Sinyan forces under the command of Ken Trallar are able to put up some resistance, however, a Srav nuke attack on the SDF HQ in Reshlund kills almost the entire general staff including Trallar. The only survivor, Dak Chamblers, then takes over as supreme commander. Under him, Sinyan forces fall into disorganization and are easily routed by Srav forces. After only a couple days Chamblers is replaced by Joe Tylars who is able to reorganize the Sinyan forces and begin a counter-attack. After a hard fought battle that lasts several days, Srav forces are forced to leave Sinya. Following that comes an expansionist campaign by Sinyans taking several nuetral planets increasing their resources and production ability. At this point the two factions are at a cold war. There will be several skirmishes and attempted invasions by both sides over the course of the war, but they provide little long-term gain for either side. Ty294 {Talk}  19:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sketches look great, but I seem to remember the Rakatans used only swords (but they did put blasters on their droids). Other than that, looks fine to me. --JediCommando (Talk) 18:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the Lost Ones are supposed to be pretty unorthodox for Rakatans, and some do use swords, but you'd expect a civilization that dominated the galaxy to have some sort of heavy weaponry--which is why we decided to have them wield massive railguns with calibers such as 25mm rounds. Basically like swinging a tactical nuke launcher around.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point. The sketches actually are giving me ideas for the mod. --JediCommando (Talk) 00:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey can I join? This is an awsome idea, kinda a combo of Star Wars and WW2. I'd love to do a few articles. Ty294 (Talk) 21:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. Put forward any ideas and questions. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  22:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'd like to make at least one faction, it would be a mostly human group, strongly anti-scocialist, and possably allied with the Necasians. Ty294 (Talk) 14:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably a bit late for a faction, unless it's a really small one. A mercenary group, or maybe even an individual, may be better. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  15:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Would a small planetary militia allied with Necasians be ok? Ty294 (Talk) 18:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. Name, characters, planet? Do you have any questions regarding tech, or anything? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:05, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only question I have is do I have to ask the creator if I can use their faction in an article or are they all open to whoever? Ty294 (Talk) 19:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Better to ask. And if you're thinking of using the Necs, Darth Tom isn't here, as his userpage will attest. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. Do I have your permission to use the Sravs? Ty294 (Talk) 01:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Give me your ideas, and then if need be I'll add/adjust them, and we may have something. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  21:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's my idea: My faction will be a planetary defense force formed shortly after the planet went through a civil war. It would be attacked by the Sravs who would conquer most of the planet, but the after a change of leadership my faction would be able to retake it's planet and even conquer some other nearby planets. After this it would merge with the Necasians and the faction's leader would become a Necasian officer. I've posted on Darth tom's userpage asking him if this will be alright with him. Let me know what you think. Ty294 (Talk) 22:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...we can have a Srav division sent to take the world and ready it for colonization, and then as you say the faction manages to force them off, which could make for an interesting freedom-fighters esque scenario. Of course, seeing as they're allying with the Necs, the 'freedom fighters' could be just as bastardly. ;) Sounds interesting. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  22:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Good is a point of veiw Unit 8311." Hehe. But ya the faction commander will be a version of myself so it'll be pretty evil LOL. Ty294 (Talk) 22:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh. Anyway, will this take place on a canon planet or one of your own? Which year (I'd recommend one or two)? Will this be a full campaign, or what? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya this is a made up planet, I've already several articles: Sinyan Civil War, Sinya Defence Force, Sinyan Socialist Republic, Sinyan Nationalist Movement <- you can tell me what you think. And yes this will take place in the early part of the war when it is still many smaller factions. The Sinya Defence Force wil take over a few planets, mostly nuetral, but perhaps a few weakly defended Srav planets. I'm also thinking that perhaps after Carsal Redharn is thrown out, some of my characters will defect to the UCW. Or I may decide for them not to join the Necs at all. I'm not sure on this yet. Ty294 (Talk) 00:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Not bad. However, while taking neutral planets is okay, trying to take Srav ones would be a bit like Kazakhstan trying to attack the United States. And they'd have to defect towards the end, or perhaps go independent until the UCW is formed...well, keep thinking, no rush. Also, I'd recommend changing some names--'Hugh Chamblers' sounds like a journalist.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  15:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here, I think I got a better storyline here:
 * Hmm...I prefer the original idea--Sravs steamroll them at first, but then they managed to knock them off the planet. Remember, faction can't be too big. And that would also give us an interesting twist on the 'pure democratic resistance fighters throw off the big bad dictatorship' thing--'resistance fighters throw off big bad dictatorship and institute their own'. ;) Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  15:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought you might say that. However, in the current form, they are a dictorship from the begining. Perhaps we could change this having the Sinyans still have a republic at the beginning (although it had turned socialist just before the war). This could be a type a spanish civil war situation with the Communists supporting the Republic, and the Fascists supporting the Nationalists. I could change the war to happen during the war rather then before. OR. The Sinyans could still be an imperium at the begining of the war, but don't launch any attacks untill after the Sravs attack. Then the Sinyans gain a couple planets then enter the stalemate. Ty294 (Talk) 16:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with them being a dictatorship from the beginning? Perhaps the ones in favor of Republic/Socialism are the ones to get crushed first by the Sravs, and it's the fascist ones who survive and boot them off eventually. Afterwards, they could seize a couple of neutral planets like you say before, as per the original idea, hook up with the Necs, or join/get smashed by the UCW. Thoughts? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  17:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But why would the Sravs crush a group that shares a similar ideology? I think we'll keep it at the original storyline, with the right-wing groups (And actually their right-wing but more moderate then actual fascists cause they don't support slavery.) having contol, and fighting off the Sravs. I think we won't have them actually merge with the Necs, but remain idependent untill the UCW is formed. I think we should also keep the stalemate and siege ideas, with the reason the Sravs can't break through being that they are too busy with the Necs and DTM. Ty294 (Talk) 17:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not too sure about the siege idea, because the Sravs are the type who'll nuke the area from orbit if they feel it's taking too long. Perhaps a few troops could cut themselves off from command, but I'm not sure. As for the Necs, maybe a few could decide that they're the ones with the right ideas and switch over, but do as you please regarding that. Or maybe they could ask the Necs for lend-lease--after all, enemy of my enemy... EDIT: Come to think of it, there are some merc groups they could call upon if need be... Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk! 18:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * True, true. With nukes the Sravs can pretty much have their way. Having the Sinyans make a deal with the Savi Alliance or another group (maybe even the Zayre?) may be a good idea. Generally this is what extent of tech the Sinyans could have: Older model fighters and starships, fairly powerful ground forces with the main strength being in it's tank corps, early stage atomic weapons. As for superweapons, they could possably be developing mutant war-beasts, but the project would be destroyed by Srav commandos. Ty294 (Talk) 19:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Mhm. If you're going after the Savis (although the Flyboys will be cheaper, but it's your call), maybe Jervosa's battalion would do--if my understanding with Joe is correct, that would break away from the rest of the Savis while the others cuddle up with the Sravs. For starships, perhaps the Sinyans could have simply a few freighters outfitted with missile launchers or just high-powered CIWS-type weapons, and have them hide in an asteroid field or something until it goes good for them. Perhaps their tanks could be meh, but they get a boost when they steal Srav ordnance. Mutant war-beasts? Tell me more.  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The mutant war-beast would be based off the Kracken, particularly the one in Pirates of the Carribean. It would be used once, but would be killed and the project destroyed when Srav commandos implant a nuke in the research center. As for the Sinyan military, I think it could have fairly decent ground forces, but generally weak space/air force. After the Sravs attack they could then gain better weapons. Ty294 (Talk) 21:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Will they have their own weapons, or purchased offworld ones? Bear in mind you can't make their hardware too good, as they're supposed to be a very minor party at best. Do you have any concepts/pictures for their stuff, or should I find some? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  22:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the tanks I probably will need help with, but the troops I can handle, I do modding for SWBF so I can do some reskins of troopers (likely the Rebel troopers and/or AT-ST pilots) and the rebel blaster rifle looks alot like an assault rifle. As for the equipment makers the infintry stuff will be local made, but the vehicles will be a mix (something like 70/30-purchased/local-made). Ty294 (Talk) 01:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a quick clarification: if this Ty294 is the one I think he is, he's talking about the first Battlefront, and not the second, which is the one I'm modding, so Ty can't really help me too much, in case you guys are getting any ideas. --JediCommando (Talk) 19:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. Here's some image suggestions for Sinyan tanks, although remember that they can't be too great in quantity or quality: http://imperial.boinaslava.net/wh40k/wa/baneblade.jpg, http://www.killzone2-game.com/images/vehicles/CA_ISA_Tank.png. I guess it would be better for most of their vehicles to be simple buggies or light ones--as I stress, they can't have too good equipment. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  22:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Those can be tanks they develope later on. For the early war, I say it should be small light tanks in decent numbers but no match for the Srav counterparts. Also early on most Sinyan vehicles should be as you say, jeep-type vehicles and trucks. Now, later on they will develope bigger vehicles and weapons based off captured Srav equipment. In short, they start weak, become stronger later, then join the UCW and are no longer an independent faction. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] Talk  00:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Want me to bring forth image suggestions, or to generate ideas for you? And if you don't need that, care to share what you've got? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  19:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * At the moment I have few images to show. I'll get some from Battlefront when I get time to make the units. As for the early war Sinyan tanks, I think I'll get some pics of WW2 tanks to use. Dak Chamblers,Sinyan Imperium <<<---These articles do have images.
 * Kinda what I had in mind, but I envisioned the fight to boot the Sravs off the planet lasting a few weeks or months, and then after that the Sinyans keep away from the Sravs while the Sravs ignore them. Perhaps they could go up against pirates or clash against mercs. Oh, and instead of WW2 tanks, which may be a bit obvious, here's some alternates in a similar aesthetic: http://artozi.deviantart.com/art/Predator-63494120, http://elvisperry.com/warhawk/warhwktank1.jpg, http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com/art/Tank-50504297  Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Perhaps they could go up against pirates or clash against mercs." How about the DTM? Perhaps they could have several large cells on the Sinyan planets? Also, I don't know if the Srav/Sinyan campaign can last that long as the Sravs would likely just pull back and nuke the planet apart, right? Although, a way to counter this could be that Sinya has some important resource, and the Sravs don't want to damage or destroy it. Also, the second tank pictured there would do well for the early model Sinyan tanks. Lastly, I do wanna chance to unleash my war-beast on someone ;) Hehehe. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  20:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * DTM? You'll have to ask Arav about that, and for DT this may signify the faction getting a bit too major, which he may not like. As for the campaign, perhaps the Sravs could believe themselves to be the victors and the Sinyans as a pathetic resistance group that's not worth bothering about, lulling them into a full sense of security, before the hit-and-run campaign ends up with them getting off. Maybe they could drop a few nukes onto Sinyan hideouts only for them to regroup. And we could combine that with the Sravs beginning the construction of a colony/outpost. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  21:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Regarding Ty's faction coming after Jevosa's battalion, I'll have to think about that. 2) Unit, I've said this before, and I've kept my peace for a while, but I find it troubling that DT seems to be in charge of this project, behind the scenes or not. What leads me to this conclusion is how, in your post above, you say that 'for DT this may signify the faction getting a bit too major, which he may not like.' Unless I'm missing something (and I checked posts above, so I'm pretty sure I'm not), it sure sounds like DT would have to approve Ty's idea of using the DTM, and that sounds a lot like a clan to me.

Anyway, I'm going to start cleaning up the Battle of Casilis article again, in hopes of nominating ti for GA or FA at some point. - Joe   (talk) 21:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, his opinion still counts regardless. But, yes, I guess it's Arav's decision about the DTM, and I guess I could have phrased that statement differently. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  21:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The DTM may not be needed. Perhaps the Sravs will ignore the Sinyans for for a while but relaunch an invasion later feeling the Sinyans are getting to powerful. But they won't actually be real big, maybe 2-3 colony worlds and a slighty improved and rebuilt military. But not a real large force. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  21:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...considering that by then the Sravs will be busy fighting 2-3 enemies at the same time, they may not be interested in a comparatively small militia owning 2-3 worlds. For variety, perhaps they could go up against the Savis or subfactions thereof if Joe permits, or you might even want to ask Darth Storm if they can challenge the Taungs... Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk! 22:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, a Taung invasion sounds like a good idea. I'll ask Darth Storm about it. edit: Actually that might not work since the Taungs leave the war before the UCW is formed if I'm not mistaken. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  22:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it could be just a small raid (but still like the coming of the apocalypse for the Sinyans), and this could be following their seizing of said neutral worlds and consolidation. Not sure why it has to be after the formation of the UCW, considering that's when the Sinyans get assimilated into them. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  22:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The second invasion of Sinyan will likely happen in year 2 or year 3 (likely year 3 if it's the Taungs), so in that time the Sinyans will have had the time to develope new weapons, recruit new soldiers, and build up defences. So it can be a larger scale invasion since the Sinyans will be better prepared. But because the Sravs will be so busy it should be a different faction. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  01:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ok with me if you want to fight the Taungs.
 * Thanks Darth Storm. Here's a picture of a Sinyan soldier: . And here's a Taung soldier in the clutches of the Sinyans "war-beast":.
 * Soldier looks cool. Would you like to discuss the Taung involvement with Darth Storm, or me to give ideas, or get the fight with the Sravs out of the way first? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  16:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll talk about the the Taung/Sinnyan war with Darth Storm. I think the Srav battle is kinda settled, onless there are some things your not sure of yet? Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  19:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. I guess we should split it into several battles--the first will be the Srav invasion--at first they can ask Sinya to be incorporated into their territory willingly, only for the militia to refuse, resulting in a curbstomp battle. This can be at some point in the first year, unless you've got another idea? Would you like me to start the article, and how much would you like to do? And then we can discuss the rest of the battles for the Srav occupation. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I can write most of the article. I'll let you describe the occupation, but I'll do the opening battle and the counter-offensive. Although if you see spelling errors go ahead and fix those. You'll also need to create of select a Srav commander to lead the campaign, preferably one who is somewhat arrogant and a poor tactition. Also, what should the battle be called? "The First Battle of Sinya"? "The Invasion of Sinya"? "The Srav/Sinyan War"? There will also be a second battle with the Taungs later on so it will need to be named right. Then maybe you could upload those tank images? http://elvisperry.com/warhawk/warhwktank1.jpg, http://imperial.boinaslava.net/wh40k/wa/baneblade.jpg, http://www.killzone2-game.com/images/vehicles/CA_ISA_Tank.png. <- The first image will be the early war Sinyan tank. Thanks. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  14:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The first battle? Just plain 'Invasion of Sinya (Cruentusian War)' and the rest can be skirmishes. Also, have you decided on names for the tank(s)? In fact, I'll start the article and let you fill in the infobox and the appropiate fields. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  15:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the first tank: SAAV-4 light tank. <-The first picture goes on this one. The successor will be something like SAAV-6 or something. Edit: I added some to the invasion article, but do you think you could write the prelude for me? Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  17:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Prelude done. If you could fill in some redlinks, that'd be appreciated. Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  18:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll just need to make an article for Reshlund. The Sravs still need a commander for the Sinyan campaign. And thanks for helping adding the category to my articles. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  20:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll make a commander soon. You have any ideas for the next skirmish? Unit 8311 [[Image:1110 Big small.jpg|20px]] Talk!  20:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, not sure. At some point (probably not right away though) Dak Chamblers should launch a counter-offinsive that ends up in disaster. But the first skirmish should likely be a small raid on an industrial center or mid-sized city. Give me a little time to make something up. Ty294 [[Image:Sinyan Imperium logo.png|20px]] {Talk}  22:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)